VISTA - Microsoft's Edsel

I gave specifics all over this community.

You MVP's crack me up.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> If you would have given specifics, it is probable someone could have helped
> you identify the cause of your problems and lead you to a resolution.
> Instead you come off as little more than a complainer since many run the
> various builds of Vista very successfully.
>
> If you still have any interest, I suggest you start a new thread and post
> back with details so a resolution can be found.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Kansas John" <KansasJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> newsC9ABFFC-8033-47EA-989C-87D8F877D7B1@microsoft.com...

> > Looks great on the showroom floor . . . useful as dog doo on my shoe.
> >
> > Spent a whole lotta wasted hours trying to get this thing to work.
> >
> > I'm throwing in the towel.
> >
> > Change the name back to Longhorn. . . there's more bull here than in
> > Kansas.
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

>
>
>

Then your post would have been more appropriately in one or more of those
threads.
Or at least referencing the threads.
Alone and by itself, it looks like a meaningless rant.

I see a total of 10 posts of yours in this newsgroup.

2 in this thread, no relevant information by you of any problem.

1 posts in "VISTA Search Dialogue Stinks"
A very general complaint with nothing specific enough to work with.

1 post in "Vista Beta 2 & Driver issues"
Drivers are provided by the hardware manufacturer.
If the manufacturer will not provide them, there is nothing Microsoft can
do.
Of course you notified the hardware manufacturer of your need for the
driver?
If you or someone else filed a bug then Microsoft forwards the information
to the manufacturer.

1 post in "Vista MP3 do not play"
But again nothing that can help anyone help you.
No details at all.
You gave no indication what changed.
Since it worked before and not later, What changed?
You also seem unsure as to when.

Finally your one and only real issue, hardly "all over this community".
5 posts in:
"Vista Locked Up Tight - No Forward, No Reverse - Just a Square"
You have not been "booted me out of the Beta" since you most likely were not
in the Beta.
Most in this newsgroup are participating in the Customer Preview Program.
There are some members of the Technical Beta posting in this newsgroup.
The Technical Beta testers have other private newsgroups.
The Technical Beta and Customer Preview Program are different programs with
different purposes.
If you start from scratch with a Clean Installation, you will be able to
activate.
If you have questions as to exactly what you can do with Vista, read the
EULA you have already agreed.

Have you verified all your hardware is compatible with Vista?
A newer computer is no assurance of a Vista capable computer.

Vista Upgrade Advisor Beta:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx

Vista Capable and Premium Ready PCs:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/capable.mspx

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Kansas John" <KansasJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CA295B04-0F01-4A6A-8E7F-6427E0B95876@microsoft.com...

>I gave specifics all over this community.
>
> You MVP's crack me up.
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>

>> If you would have given specifics, it is probable someone could have
>> helped
>> you identify the cause of your problems and lead you to a resolution.
>> Instead you come off as little more than a complainer since many run the
>> various builds of Vista very successfully.
>>
>> If you still have any interest, I suggest you start a new thread and post
>> back with details so a resolution can be found.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Kansas John" <KansasJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> newsC9ABFFC-8033-47EA-989C-87D8F877D7B1@microsoft.com...

>> > Looks great on the showroom floor . . . useful as dog doo on my shoe.
>> >
>> > Spent a whole lotta wasted hours trying to get this thing to work.
>> >
>> > I'm throwing in the towel.
>> >
>> > Change the name back to Longhorn. . . there's more bull here than in
>> > Kansas.
>> >
>> > ----------------
>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> > "I
>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> > this
>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> > then
>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >
>> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

>>
>>
>>

Nevermind! As I said before, I'm outta here.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Then your post would have been more appropriately in one or more of those
> threads.
> Or at least referencing the threads.
> Alone and by itself, it looks like a meaningless rant.
>
> I see a total of 10 posts of yours in this newsgroup.
>
> 2 in this thread, no relevant information by you of any problem.
>
> 1 posts in "VISTA Search Dialogue Stinks"
> A very general complaint with nothing specific enough to work with.
>
> 1 post in "Vista Beta 2 & Driver issues"
> Drivers are provided by the hardware manufacturer.
> If the manufacturer will not provide them, there is nothing Microsoft can
> do.
> Of course you notified the hardware manufacturer of your need for the
> driver?
> If you or someone else filed a bug then Microsoft forwards the information
> to the manufacturer.
>
> 1 post in "Vista MP3 do not play"
> But again nothing that can help anyone help you.
> No details at all.
> You gave no indication what changed.
> Since it worked before and not later, What changed?
> You also seem unsure as to when.
>
> Finally your one and only real issue, hardly "all over this community".
> 5 posts in:
> "Vista Locked Up Tight - No Forward, No Reverse - Just a Square"
> You have not been "booted me out of the Beta" since you most likely were not
> in the Beta.
> Most in this newsgroup are participating in the Customer Preview Program.
> There are some members of the Technical Beta posting in this newsgroup.
> The Technical Beta testers have other private newsgroups.
> The Technical Beta and Customer Preview Program are different programs with
> different purposes.
> If you start from scratch with a Clean Installation, you will be able to
> activate.
> If you have questions as to exactly what you can do with Vista, read the
> EULA you have already agreed.
>
> Have you verified all your hardware is compatible with Vista?
> A newer computer is no assurance of a Vista capable computer.
>
> Vista Upgrade Advisor Beta:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx
>
> Vista Capable and Premium Ready PCs:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/capable.mspx
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Kansas John" <KansasJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CA295B04-0F01-4A6A-8E7F-6427E0B95876@microsoft.com...

> >I gave specifics all over this community.
> >
> > You MVP's crack me up.
> >
> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
> >

> >> If you would have given specifics, it is probable someone could have
> >> helped
> >> you identify the cause of your problems and lead you to a resolution.
> >> Instead you come off as little more than a complainer since many run the
> >> various builds of Vista very successfully.
> >>
> >> If you still have any interest, I suggest you start a new thread and post
> >> back with details so a resolution can be found.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> >> http://www.dts-l.org
> >>
> >>
> >> "Kansas John" <KansasJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> newsC9ABFFC-8033-47EA-989C-87D8F877D7B1@microsoft.com...
> >> > Looks great on the showroom floor . . . useful as dog doo on my shoe.
> >> >
> >> > Spent a whole lotta wasted hours trying to get this thing to work.
> >> >
> >> > I'm throwing in the towel.
> >> >
> >> > Change the name back to Longhorn. . . there's more bull here than in
> >> > Kansas.
> >> >
> >> > ----------------
> >> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> >> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
> >> > "I
> >> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> >> > this
> >> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> >> > then
> >> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >> >
> >> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>

Jupiter:
It looks like another one that expected everything to work out of
the box and expects full fixes without giving any specifications or
patterns.


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:O8y47YFrGHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Then your post would have been more appropriately in one or more of those
> threads.
> Or at least referencing the threads.
> Alone and by itself, it looks like a meaningless rant.
>
> I see a total of 10 posts of yours in this newsgroup.
>
> 2 in this thread, no relevant information by you of any problem.
>
> 1 posts in "VISTA Search Dialogue Stinks"
> A very general complaint with nothing specific enough to work with.
>
> 1 post in "Vista Beta 2 & Driver issues"
> Drivers are provided by the hardware manufacturer.
> If the manufacturer will not provide them, there is nothing Microsoft can
> do.
> Of course you notified the hardware manufacturer of your need for the
> driver?
> If you or someone else filed a bug then Microsoft forwards the information
> to the manufacturer.
>
> 1 post in "Vista MP3 do not play"
> But again nothing that can help anyone help you.
> No details at all.
> You gave no indication what changed.
> Since it worked before and not later, What changed?
> You also seem unsure as to when.
>
> Finally your one and only real issue, hardly "all over this community".
> 5 posts in:
> "Vista Locked Up Tight - No Forward, No Reverse - Just a Square"
> You have not been "booted me out of the Beta" since you most likely were
> not in the Beta.
> Most in this newsgroup are participating in the Customer Preview Program.
> There are some members of the Technical Beta posting in this newsgroup.
> The Technical Beta testers have other private newsgroups.
> The Technical Beta and Customer Preview Program are different programs
> with different purposes.
> If you start from scratch with a Clean Installation, you will be able to
> activate.
> If you have questions as to exactly what you can do with Vista, read the
> EULA you have already agreed.
>
> Have you verified all your hardware is compatible with Vista?
> A newer computer is no assurance of a Vista capable computer.
>
> Vista Upgrade Advisor Beta:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx
>
> Vista Capable and Premium Ready PCs:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/capable.mspx
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Kansas John" <KansasJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CA295B04-0F01-4A6A-8E7F-6427E0B95876@microsoft.com...

>>I gave specifics all over this community.
>>
>> You MVP's crack me up.
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>

>>> If you would have given specifics, it is probable someone could have
>>> helped
>>> you identify the cause of your problems and lead you to a resolution.
>>> Instead you come off as little more than a complainer since many run the
>>> various builds of Vista very successfully.
>>>
>>> If you still have any interest, I suggest you start a new thread and
>>> post
>>> back with details so a resolution can be found.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kansas John" <KansasJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> newsC9ABFFC-8033-47EA-989C-87D8F877D7B1@microsoft.com...
>>> > Looks great on the showroom floor . . . useful as dog doo on my shoe.
>>> >
>>> > Spent a whole lotta wasted hours trying to get this thing to work.
>>> >
>>> > I'm throwing in the towel.
>>> >
>>> > Change the name back to Longhorn. . . there's more bull here than in
>>> > Kansas.
>>> >
>>> > ----------------
>>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>> > the "I
>>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>> > follow
>>> > this
>>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> > then
>>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>> >
>>> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>

Yeah, he forgot the "pre" in "preview."

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2" <dennispack@nospamhotmail.com>
wrote in message news:01730691-D391-4B43-8D6C-61DED605EDC2@microsoft.com...

> Jupiter:
> It looks like another one that expected everything to work out of
> the box and expects full fixes without giving any specifications or
> patterns.
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:O8y47YFrGHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Then your post would have been more appropriately in one or more of those
>> threads.
>> Or at least referencing the threads.
>> Alone and by itself, it looks like a meaningless rant.
>>
>> I see a total of 10 posts of yours in this newsgroup.
>>
>> 2 in this thread, no relevant information by you of any problem.
>>
>> 1 posts in "VISTA Search Dialogue Stinks"
>> A very general complaint with nothing specific enough to work with.
>>
>> 1 post in "Vista Beta 2 & Driver issues"
>> Drivers are provided by the hardware manufacturer.
>> If the manufacturer will not provide them, there is nothing Microsoft can
>> do.
>> Of course you notified the hardware manufacturer of your need for the
>> driver?
>> If you or someone else filed a bug then Microsoft forwards the
>> information to the manufacturer.
>>
>> 1 post in "Vista MP3 do not play"
>> But again nothing that can help anyone help you.
>> No details at all.
>> You gave no indication what changed.
>> Since it worked before and not later, What changed?
>> You also seem unsure as to when.
>>
>> Finally your one and only real issue, hardly "all over this community".
>> 5 posts in:
>> "Vista Locked Up Tight - No Forward, No Reverse - Just a Square"
>> You have not been "booted me out of the Beta" since you most likely were
>> not in the Beta.
>> Most in this newsgroup are participating in the Customer Preview Program.
>> There are some members of the Technical Beta posting in this newsgroup.
>> The Technical Beta testers have other private newsgroups.
>> The Technical Beta and Customer Preview Program are different programs
>> with different purposes.
>> If you start from scratch with a Clean Installation, you will be able to
>> activate.
>> If you have questions as to exactly what you can do with Vista, read the
>> EULA you have already agreed.
>>
>> Have you verified all your hardware is compatible with Vista?
>> A newer computer is no assurance of a Vista capable computer.
>>
>> Vista Upgrade Advisor Beta:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx
>>
>> Vista Capable and Premium Ready PCs:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/capable.mspx
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Kansas John" <KansasJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:CA295B04-0F01-4A6A-8E7F-6427E0B95876@microsoft.com...

>>>I gave specifics all over this community.
>>>
>>> You MVP's crack me up.
>>>
>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you would have given specifics, it is probable someone could have
>>>> helped
>>>> you identify the cause of your problems and lead you to a resolution.
>>>> Instead you come off as little more than a complainer since many run
>>>> the
>>>> various builds of Vista very successfully.
>>>>
>>>> If you still have any interest, I suggest you start a new thread and
>>>> post
>>>> back with details so a resolution can be found.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kansas John" <KansasJohn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> newsC9ABFFC-8033-47EA-989C-87D8F877D7B1@microsoft.com...
>>>> > Looks great on the showroom floor . . . useful as dog doo on my shoe.
>>>> >
>>>> > Spent a whole lotta wasted hours trying to get this thing to work.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm throwing in the towel.
>>>> >
>>>> > Change the name back to Longhorn. . . there's more bull here than in
>>>> > Kansas.
>>>> >
>>>> > ----------------
>>>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
>>>> > the
>>>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>>> > the "I
>>>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>>> > follow
>>>> > this
>>>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>>> > then
>>>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>> >
>>>> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>
>>

>

Dennis;
That seems to be a more common theme as Vista gets more public.

People need to remember Vista is Beta.
I usually suggest to others.
Do not install Beta anything unless you are prepared for total data loss and
a Clean Installation of the operating system to resolve any issues.
I realize that is extreme, but it covers the nature of Beta, not just
Microsoft or operating systems, but Beta anything from any source.
Anyone not prepared for those terms, is probably not ready to have a Beta on
their computer.
That is how I look at any Beta before installing.
That is why Vista is on a computer with nothing of value, or at least not
otherwise stored.
Currently I do not trust Vista enough to use it as my main OS.

It is possible the OP has a hardware configuration incapable of supporting
Vista.
But more than likely, if the proper details were provided to this newsgroup,
someone could have helped resolve any issues or at least help determine the
precise cause.
But to do any of that, details are necessary, details not provided.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2" <dennispack@nospamhotmail.com>
wrote in message news:01730691-D391-4B43-8D6C-61DED605EDC2@microsoft.com...

> Jupiter:
> It looks like another one that expected everything to work out of
> the box and expects full fixes without giving any specifications or
> patterns.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:40:38 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>Dennis;
>That seems to be a more common theme as Vista gets more public.
>
>People need to remember Vista is Beta.
>I usually suggest to others.
>Do not install Beta anything unless you are prepared for total data loss and
>a Clean Installation of the operating system to resolve any issues.
>I realize that is extreme, but it covers the nature of Beta, not just
>Microsoft or operating systems, but Beta anything from any source.
>Anyone not prepared for those terms, is probably not ready to have a Beta on
>their computer.
>That is how I look at any Beta before installing.
>That is why Vista is on a computer with nothing of value, or at least not
>otherwise stored.
>Currently I do not trust Vista enough to use it as my main OS.
>
>It is possible the OP has a hardware configuration incapable of supporting
>Vista.
>But more than likely, if the proper details were provided to this newsgroup,
>someone could have helped resolve any issues or at least help determine the
>precise cause.
>But to do any of that, details are necessary, details not provided.

I don't agree Jupiter,

I am an experience PC user and system builder, I do not like a lot of
the "new" features in Vista, Beta or not it is a lot of hassle to run
and some things are just laughably stupid, the new search for one as
has been pointed out, the clunky ridiculously complicated file sharing
system (FFS its easier to set up Samba or NFS on a Linux Box). It has
a lot of problems not related to being a Beta mainly that the simple
has become either merely annoying or over-complicated. This is a high
price to pay for supposed extra security when we all know Vista will
be hacked to death as soon as it becomes worthwhile to do so therefore
all this extra security getting in the way of useability becomes
questionable because it is IMO badly implemented.

I fully understand why the OP is annoyed and frustrated, a good
portion of the people testing this are power users not newbies and TBO
Vista looks like a bit of a bodge job under the hood. Very pretty but
thats all it has going for it at the moment. I hope things will
improve a lot in future Betas and the release version. However I will
not be using it on anything but a test box, or recommending any of my
more experienced clients install it till I have had a good look at the
final version. It is however a good OS for a newbie, security wise but
then so is any Linux distro, Mac, if its set up correctly.

XP is the best OS MSFT have ever done, Vista is looking a bit surplus
to requirements at the moment.

Jonah

jonah wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:40:38 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>

>> Dennis;
>> That seems to be a more common theme as Vista gets more public.
>>
>> People need to remember Vista is Beta.
>> I usually suggest to others.
>> Do not install Beta anything unless you are prepared for total data
>> loss and a Clean Installation of the operating system to resolve any
>> issues.
>> I realize that is extreme, but it covers the nature of Beta, not just
>> Microsoft or operating systems, but Beta anything from any source.
>> Anyone not prepared for those terms, is probably not ready to have a
>> Beta on their computer.
>> That is how I look at any Beta before installing.
>> That is why Vista is on a computer with nothing of value, or at
>> least not otherwise stored.
>> Currently I do not trust Vista enough to use it as my main OS.
>>
>> It is possible the OP has a hardware configuration incapable of
>> supporting Vista.
>> But more than likely, if the proper details were provided to this
>> newsgroup, someone could have helped resolve any issues or at least
>> help determine the precise cause.
>> But to do any of that, details are necessary, details not provided.

>
> I don't agree Jupiter,
>
> I am an experience PC user and system builder, I do not like a lot of
> the "new" features in Vista, Beta or not it is a lot of hassle to run
> and some things are just laughably stupid, the new search for one as
> has been pointed out, the clunky ridiculously complicated file sharing
> system (FFS its easier to set up Samba or NFS on a Linux Box). It has
> a lot of problems not related to being a Beta mainly that the simple
> has become either merely annoying or over-complicated. This is a high
> price to pay for supposed extra security when we all know Vista will
> be hacked to death as soon as it becomes worthwhile to do so therefore
> all this extra security getting in the way of useability becomes
> questionable because it is IMO badly implemented.
>
> I fully understand why the OP is annoyed and frustrated, a good
> portion of the people testing this are power users not newbies and TBO
> Vista looks like a bit of a bodge job under the hood. Very pretty but
> thats all it has going for it at the moment. I hope things will
> improve a lot in future Betas and the release version. However I will
> not be using it on anything but a test box, or recommending any of my
> more experienced clients install it till I have had a good look at the
> final version. It is however a good OS for a newbie, security wise but
> then so is any Linux distro, Mac, if its set up correctly.
>
> XP is the best OS MSFT have ever done, Vista is looking a bit surplus
> to requirements at the moment.
>
> Jonah

Wasn't there much the same complaints about XP before and just after it was
released? Only time will make it clear if Vista is a good OS or not.
Personally I like the new security. If you run as a standard user and use
"Run as administrator" when needed it works very much like most Linux
distros. It's only when you run as the crippled, fake administrator/user
account and expect it to operate as XP did that Vista becomes frustrating.

I do agree that the search function seems to get more useless with every new
MS OS.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
www.VistaHelp.ca