Vista...? Proceed with caution!

Posted: 01-04-2007, 03:01 PM

Not sure how much of this is true, but I believe most of it is, and even if
only 1/4 is true, it's enough to make me think twice or even thrice about
going anywhere near Vista for a long time yet...

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

Executive Summary
-----------------

Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in order
to
provide content protection for so-called "premium content", typically HD
data
from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs
considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability,
technical
support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues affect not
only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the
protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will ever
come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista (for
example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This
document
analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the collateral
damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry.

Executive Executive Summary
---------------------------

The Vista Content Protection specification could very well constitute the
longest suicide note in history [Note A].



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Re: Vista...? Proceed with caution!
Posted: 01-04-2007, 03:15 PM
In message %23tEkJEBMHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
ChrisM <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
> Not sure how much of this is true, but I believe most of it is, and
> even if only 1/4 is true, it's enough to make me think twice or even
> thrice about going anywhere near Vista for a long time yet...
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>
> Executive Summary
> -----------------
>
> Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in
> order to
> provide content protection for so-called "premium content", typically
> HD data
> from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs
> considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability,
> technical
> support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues
> affect not only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the
> effects of the protection measures extend to cover all hardware and
> software that will ever come into contact with Vista, even if it's
> not used directly with Vista (for example hardware in a Macintosh
> computer or on a Linux server). This document
> analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the
> collateral damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry.
>
> Executive Executive Summary
> ---------------------------
>
> The Vista Content Protection specification could very well constitute
> the longest suicide note in history [Note A].
UPDATE: Sorry, I just realised that this report has already been discussed
in at least one of these groups. Apologies to those who have already seen
it, but ma

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Re: Vista...? Proceed with caution!
Posted: 01-04-2007, 03:15 PM
Att: Crossposted


Chris

Old news and was already posted. Also there was no need to crosspost this

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"ChrisM" <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> wrote in message news:%23tEkJEBMHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> Not sure how much of this is true, but I believe most of it is, and even if
> only 1/4 is true, it's enough to make me think twice or even thrice about
> going anywhere near Vista for a long time yet...
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>
> Executive Summary
> -----------------
>
> Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in order
> to
> provide content protection for so-called "premium content", typically HD
> data
> from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs
> considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability,
> technical
> support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues affect not
> only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the
> protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will ever
> come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista (for
> example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This
> document
> analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the collateral
> damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry.
>
> Executive Executive Summary
> ---------------------------
>
> The Vista Content Protection specification could very well constitute the
> longest suicide note in history [Note A].
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Chris.
> (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)
>
>
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Re: Vista...? Proceed with caution!
Posted: 01-04-2007, 03:20 PM
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Peter Foldes <okf22@hotmail.com> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
> Att: Crossposted
>
>
> Chris
>
> Old news and was already posted. Also there was no need to crosspost
> this
Hi, yes, apologies, I did scan through the postings first and missed the
references to it before. Even so, it might be of interest to anyone that is
new to the group or who missed it first time round.

As far as the cross-posting though, I only posted it to 3 groups, and
believe it is relevant to all three.

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Re: Vista...? Proceed with caution!
Posted: 01-04-2007, 03:26 PM
Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got Hollywood and
the Music Industry to sell their stuff through through the iTunes Store?
Also, Apple also locks into its own DRM technology for example the
proprietary AAC codec the iPod uses.
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"ChrisM" <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23tEkJEBMHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> Not sure how much of this is true, but I believe most of it is, and even
> if only 1/4 is true, it's enough to make me think twice or even thrice
> about going anywhere near Vista for a long time yet...
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>
> Executive Summary
> -----------------
>
> Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in order
> to
> provide content protection for so-called "premium content", typically HD
> data
> from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs
> considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability,
> technical
> support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues affect not
> only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the
> protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will
> ever
> come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista
> (for
> example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This
> document
> analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the
> collateral
> damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry.
>
> Executive Executive Summary
> ---------------------------
>
> The Vista Content Protection specification could very well constitute the
> longest suicide note in history [Note A].
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Chris.
> (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)
>

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Re: Vista...? Proceed with caution!
Posted: 01-04-2007, 03:34 PM
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
> Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got Hollywood and
> the Music Industry to sell their stuff through through the iTunes Store?
> Also, Apple also locks into its own DRM technology for example the
> proprietary AAC codec the iPod uses.
I guess that leaves Linux.

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Posted: 01-04-2007, 03:40 PM
not really. doesnt have too much to do with the os. its the file type and
media thats involved



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> Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
>> Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got Hollywood
>> and the Music Industry to sell their stuff through through the iTunes
>> Store? Also, Apple also locks into its own DRM technology for example the
>> proprietary AAC codec the iPod uses.
>
> I guess that leaves Linux.
>
> Alias
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Re: Vista...? Proceed with caution!
Posted: 01-05-2007, 07:22 PM
Troy McClure wrote:
> not really. doesnt have too much to do with the os. its the file type
> and media thats involved

While that may or may not be the case, try running a media center
without content protection. I use this at home and because there is no
content protection software in my setup, everything just works and I
have no idea if the channel or program I am watching at any given time
is content protected. It all just works and setup was a breeze.

Mythdora:
http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/mythdo...all/howto.html
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> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
> news:utrOIXBMHHA.1044@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
>>> Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got
>>> Hollywood and the Music Industry to sell their stuff through through
>>> the iTunes Store? Also, Apple also locks into its own DRM technology
>>> for example the proprietary AAC codec the iPod uses.
>>
>> I guess that leaves Linux.
>>
>> Alias
>


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Re: Vista...? Proceed with caution!
Posted: 01-04-2007, 03:49 PM
Its one of major reasons why I think Linux will never have an average grasp
hold on the consumer desktop because it refuses to fully support
proprietary. And with the new version of the GPL coming in March, Linux is
much as doomed for mainstream thanks to Larry Stallman.
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"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
news:utrOIXBMHHA.1044@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
>> Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got Hollywood
>> and the Music Industry to sell their stuff through through the iTunes
>> Store? Also, Apple also locks into its own DRM technology for example the
>> proprietary AAC codec the iPod uses.
>
> I guess that leaves Linux.
>
> Alias

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Re: Vista...? Proceed with caution!
Posted: 01-05-2007, 07:09 AM

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
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> Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
>> Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got Hollywood
>> and the Music Industry to sell their stuff through through the iTunes
>> Store? Also, Apple also locks into its own DRM technology for example the
>> proprietary AAC codec the iPod uses.
>
> I guess that leaves Linux.
>
> Alias
No, it just means that there are still idiots that think Linux is the
answer...

Honu


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