vista push back article

Umm Colin,
Are you a MVP?
Jeff

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OV8OwgBuGHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status of
> Vista. In a private conversation I was in today I learned that the
> outstanding active bugs are currently in the hundreds, not the thousands,
> and that the next build released to testers will show a lot more
> improvement over 5472 than most folks here seem to expect. In particular,
> a lot of the bugs being reported in 5472 had already been fixed at the
> time 5472 released but had not passed QA for a CTP release (testing was
> still in progress) but have now been checked into later builds. According
> to my source, MS is seriously on track for RC1 this quarter and rtm in
> November with a product that will pass QA properly.
>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:%23OUC5WAuGHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>
>> When I started writing this article, I thought I might be a voice in the
>> wilderness. Since beta 2, I have been privately telling some of my
>> confidants that Vista's development was not on track for their release
>> schedule.
>> By profession I'm a software developer. Specifically a Project Manager.
>> None of my projects are remotely as large as Windows Vista but it doesn't
>> take someone with that kind of experience to recognize that Windows Vista
>> is not where it needs to be in order to ship in good shape at the end of
>> the year.
>>
>>
>>
>> More a the link
>>
>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>

>
>

Yes.

"Jeff" <jeffwhat44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uGwAfnBuGHA.3964@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Umm Colin,
> Are you a MVP?
> Jeff
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:OV8OwgBuGHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status
>> of Vista. In a private conversation I was in today I learned that the
>> outstanding active bugs are currently in the hundreds, not the thousands,
>> and that the next build released to testers will show a lot more
>> improvement over 5472 than most folks here seem to expect. In
>> particular, a lot of the bugs being reported in 5472 had already been
>> fixed at the time 5472 released but had not passed QA for a CTP release
>> (testing was still in progress) but have now been checked into later
>> builds. According to my source, MS is seriously on track for RC1 this
>> quarter and rtm in November with a product that will pass QA properly.
>>
>> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
>> news:%23OUC5WAuGHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>>
>>> When I started writing this article, I thought I might be a voice in the
>>> wilderness. Since beta 2, I have been privately telling some of my
>>> confidants that Vista's development was not on track for their release
>>> schedule.
>>> By profession I'm a software developer. Specifically a Project Manager.
>>> None of my projects are remotely as large as Windows Vista but it
>>> doesn't take someone with that kind of experience to recognize that
>>> Windows Vista is not where it needs to be in order to ship in good shape
>>> at the end of the year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More a the link
>>>
>>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>>

>>
>>

>

Ahh,
Jeff
P.S. Why no MVP logo?

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:e$eZP%23BuGHA.4748@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Yes.
>
> "Jeff" <jeffwhat44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uGwAfnBuGHA.3964@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Umm Colin,
>> Are you a MVP?
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:OV8OwgBuGHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status
>>> of Vista. In a private conversation I was in today I learned that the
>>> outstanding active bugs are currently in the hundreds, not the
>>> thousands, and that the next build released to testers will show a lot
>>> more improvement over 5472 than most folks here seem to expect. In
>>> particular, a lot of the bugs being reported in 5472 had already been
>>> fixed at the time 5472 released but had not passed QA for a CTP release
>>> (testing was still in progress) but have now been checked into later
>>> builds. According to my source, MS is seriously on track for RC1 this
>>> quarter and rtm in November with a product that will pass QA properly.
>>>
>>> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
>>> news:%23OUC5WAuGHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>>>
>>>> When I started writing this article, I thought I might be a voice in
>>>> the wilderness. Since beta 2, I have been privately telling some of my
>>>> confidants that Vista's development was not on track for their release
>>>> schedule.
>>>> By profession I'm a software developer. Specifically a Project Manager.
>>>> None of my projects are remotely as large as Windows Vista but it
>>>> doesn't take someone with that kind of experience to recognize that
>>>> Windows Vista is not where it needs to be in order to ship in good
>>>> shape at the end of the year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More a the link
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>

>
>

Like some MVP's I only list my MVP + specialty when commenting within it
(and I usually forget to then). It is Virtual Machine. I don't happen to
think of myself as an MVP when participating in discussions in areas like
the Vista Shell, etc so I haven't added the sig to my posts generally.

"Jeff" <jeffwhat44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uO81sECuGHA.4648@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Ahh,
> Jeff
> P.S. Why no MVP logo?
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:e$eZP%23BuGHA.4748@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Yes.
>>
>> "Jeff" <jeffwhat44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uGwAfnBuGHA.3964@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Umm Colin,
>>> Are you a MVP?
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OV8OwgBuGHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status
>>>> of Vista. In a private conversation I was in today I learned that the
>>>> outstanding active bugs are currently in the hundreds, not the
>>>> thousands, and that the next build released to testers will show a lot
>>>> more improvement over 5472 than most folks here seem to expect. In
>>>> particular, a lot of the bugs being reported in 5472 had already been
>>>> fixed at the time 5472 released but had not passed QA for a CTP release
>>>> (testing was still in progress) but have now been checked into later
>>>> builds. According to my source, MS is seriously on track for RC1 this
>>>> quarter and rtm in November with a product that will pass QA properly.
>>>>
>>>> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23OUC5WAuGHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>>>>
>>>>> When I started writing this article, I thought I might be a voice in
>>>>> the wilderness. Since beta 2, I have been privately telling some of
>>>>> my confidants that Vista's development was not on track for their
>>>>> release schedule.
>>>>> By profession I'm a software developer. Specifically a Project
>>>>> Manager. None of my projects are remotely as large as Windows Vista
>>>>> but it doesn't take someone with that kind of experience to recognize
>>>>> that Windows Vista is not where it needs to be in order to ship in
>>>>> good shape at the end of the year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More a the link
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>

> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status

who me? I just posted this article as news.. I didnt even read all of it...
not write it... lol

new> newsgroup.. I posted it as news.. not something I wrote


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OV8OwgBuGHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status of
> Vista. In a private conversation I was in today I learned that the
> outstanding active bugs are currently in the hundreds, not the thousands,
> and that the next build released to testers will show a lot more
> improvement over 5472 than most folks here seem to expect. In particular,
> a lot of the bugs being reported in 5472 had already been fixed at the
> time 5472 released but had not passed QA for a CTP release (testing was
> still in progress) but have now been checked into later builds. According
> to my source, MS is seriously on track for RC1 this quarter and rtm in
> November with a product that will pass QA properly.
>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:%23OUC5WAuGHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>
>> When I started writing this article, I thought I might be a voice in the
>> wilderness. Since beta 2, I have been privately telling some of my
>> confidants that Vista's development was not on track for their release
>> schedule.
>> By profession I'm a software developer. Specifically a Project Manager.
>> None of my projects are remotely as large as Windows Vista but it doesn't
>> take someone with that kind of experience to recognize that Windows Vista
>> is not where it needs to be in order to ship in good shape at the end of
>> the year.
>>
>>
>>
>> More a the link
>>
>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>

>
>

I should have said in general, not meaning the article only. This is
getting to be an interesting ride.

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
news:OXFdMnBuGHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status

>
> who me? I just posted this article as news.. I didnt even read all of
> it...
> not write it... lol
>
> new> newsgroup.. I posted it as news.. not something I wrote
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:OV8OwgBuGHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status
>> of Vista. In a private conversation I was in today I learned that the
>> outstanding active bugs are currently in the hundreds, not the thousands,
>> and that the next build released to testers will show a lot more
>> improvement over 5472 than most folks here seem to expect. In
>> particular, a lot of the bugs being reported in 5472 had already been
>> fixed at the time 5472 released but had not passed QA for a CTP release
>> (testing was still in progress) but have now been checked into later
>> builds. According to my source, MS is seriously on track for RC1 this
>> quarter and rtm in November with a product that will pass QA properly.
>>
>> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
>> news:%23OUC5WAuGHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>>
>>> When I started writing this article, I thought I might be a voice in the
>>> wilderness. Since beta 2, I have been privately telling some of my
>>> confidants that Vista's development was not on track for their release
>>> schedule.
>>> By profession I'm a software developer. Specifically a Project Manager.
>>> None of my projects are remotely as large as Windows Vista but it
>>> doesn't take someone with that kind of experience to recognize that
>>> Windows Vista is not where it needs to be in order to ship in good shape
>>> at the end of the year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More a the link
>>>
>>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

I was thinking about that when I was reading all that stuff. People forget
that a "build" isn't necessarily a good indicator of the status of the whole
project. A build is just a build and doesn't tell you a whole lot about the
big picture. And it doesn't tell you much of anything about the next build
either.



"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OV8OwgBuGHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status of
> Vista. In a private conversation I was in today I learned that the
> outstanding active bugs are currently in the hundreds, not the thousands,
> and that the next build released to testers will show a lot more
> improvement over 5472 than most folks here seem to expect. In particular,
> a lot of the bugs being reported in 5472 had already been fixed at the
> time 5472 released but had not passed QA for a CTP release (testing was
> still in progress) but have now been checked into later builds. According
> to my source, MS is seriously on track for RC1 this quarter and rtm in
> November with a product that will pass QA properly.
>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:%23OUC5WAuGHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>
>> When I started writing this article, I thought I might be a voice in the
>> wilderness. Since beta 2, I have been privately telling some of my
>> confidants that Vista's development was not on track for their release
>> schedule.
>> By profession I'm a software developer. Specifically a Project Manager.
>> None of my projects are remotely as large as Windows Vista but it doesn't
>> take someone with that kind of experience to recognize that Windows Vista
>> is not where it needs to be in order to ship in good shape at the end of
>> the year.
>>
>>
>>
>> More a the link
>>
>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>

>
>

I have to agree.... gee, a whine from yet another blog/article and reading
between the lines a lot of the problems noted are hardware/software that
"yawn" yet again are non-MS. While Vista may not be totally RC1 ready, nor
was XP or before that W2K according to all the articles that were posted
about those betas at the time. Sure MC needs some work, sure this and that
does but from my source inside MS Canada (gotta love relatives) 5472 though
poo-paahed by *experts* like Thurrot (sp? whatever) is a huge step over the
public beta so who's to say RC1 won't be another big step? It seems 80% of
the griping is over hardware and non-MS software which is not Microsofts
problem (gee, I still remember the howls when I was part of the NT5 program
at the beta2 stage). Put some blame on Microsofts partners, look at ATi or
Nvidia.. how old are their drivers? I know ATi havent released a new Vista
driver since April. Hardware manufacturers are no better (oh we'll just wait
til it's released at let the public be beta testers). I don't deny there's
problems but nor do I think it's as overblown as bloggers say it is. Heck,
MS just gave out thousands of copies to the BlackHat convention and said
"show us the flaws so we can fix it". That says a lot really. I know, many
only post the negative 'cause well I guess that's the way their life is, but
when I see people whining when they're running X2's/dual cores and yet my
lowly XP2800 is running Vista almost as good ( I'd say it's 3-5% slower for
most tasks) as my XP partition (sure I get glitches and oddities but i
forward the results to MS) I can't help but giggle insanely. Darn good for a
beta IMHO.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OV8OwgBuGHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> You may want to pull back just a bit on your view of the current status of
> Vista. In a private conversation I was in today I learned that the
> outstanding active bugs are currently in the hundreds, not the thousands,
> and that the next build released to testers will show a lot more
> improvement over 5472 than most folks here seem to expect. In particular,
> a lot of the bugs being reported in 5472 had already been fixed at the
> time 5472 released but had not passed QA for a CTP release (testing was
> still in progress) but have now been checked into later builds. According
> to my source, MS is seriously on track for RC1 this quarter and rtm in
> November with a product that will pass QA properly.
>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:%23OUC5WAuGHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>
>> When I started writing this article, I thought I might be a voice in the
>> wilderness. Since beta 2, I have been privately telling some of my
>> confidants that Vista's development was not on track for their release
>> schedule.
>> By profession I'm a software developer. Specifically a Project Manager.
>> None of my projects are remotely as large as Windows Vista but it doesn't
>> take someone with that kind of experience to recognize that Windows Vista
>> is not where it needs to be in order to ship in good shape at the end of
>> the year.
>>
>>
>>
>> More a the link
>>
>> http://www.wincustomize.com/articles...aid=125779&c=1
>>

>
>