Vista Registry Softwares?

Something very interesting is the RegSeeker (known freeware registry
cleaner) is Vista OS compatible. Sorry if I sound like a kid with my new
Vista Home Premium - but I get the feeling persons will see this a lot
especially around the Holidays coming up (USA) ! I run a personal website -
Computing Safety - for about two years now and did a lot of self help and
for others on Win XP as far as spyware removals. As I am seeing first hand,
much of that has / will continue unfortunately right through Vista years as
XP years are closing. First false positives ? Works set up folder, reported.

Any comments or links about comparisons of the Windows Registry in Windows
XP and Vista OS ? Greatly appreciated in advance. I don't want to sound
'spammy' but honestly I have purchased reg cleaners and nothing compares to
free Reg Seeker and it is really sleek with Vista - upgraded by author with
notes. A great home pc tool if you never met it. Again thanks in advance for
any information links ......

PS - in my opinion it is/will be a myth one will not notice malware
infestation on Vista simply because new machines are two and three times the
size of XP's. With 1gig RAM and 80gig Hardrive I can "see" everything - as
opposed to a 512M RAM and 33Gig hardrive XP machine.

gerald philly pa usa
(actually, webmaster of bluecollarpc.net at my new notebook/Vista - desktop
XP)

"Gerald3092" <gerald_3092@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC76FC3D-7AFF-411C-A36D-A2E8C7B3136B@microsoft.com...

>
> Any comments or links about comparisons of the Windows Registry in Windows
> XP and Vista OS ? Greatly appreciated in advance. I don't want to sound
> 'spammy' but honestly I have purchased reg cleaners and nothing compares
> to free Reg Seeker and it is really sleek with Vista - upgraded by author
> with notes. A great home pc tool if you never met it. Again thanks in
> advance for any information links ......

http://www.e-articles.info/e/a/title...Windows-Vista/
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6151136.html
http://www.news.com/Spyware-killing-...3-6050733.html

A Registry software? I never used a Registry software on any version of the
NT based classed O/S.

Now, you can run all the additional protection software you want, as long as
it's Vista compliant.

Gerald3092 wrote:

> Something very interesting is the RegSeeker (known freeware registry
> cleaner) is Vista OS compatible. Sorry if I sound like a kid with my new
> Vista Home Premium - but I get the feeling persons will see this a lot
> especially around the Holidays coming up (USA) ! I run a personal
> website - Computing Safety - for about two years now and did a lot of
> self help and for others on Win XP as far as spyware removals. As I am
> seeing first hand, much of that has / will continue unfortunately right
> through Vista years as XP years are closing. First false positives ?
> Works set up folder, reported.
>
> Any comments or links about comparisons of the Windows Registry in
> Windows XP and Vista OS ? Greatly appreciated in advance. I don't want
> to sound 'spammy' but honestly I have purchased reg cleaners and nothing
> compares to free Reg Seeker and it is really sleek with Vista - upgraded
> by author with notes. A great home pc tool if you never met it. Again
> thanks in advance for any information links ......
>

There's no such thing as a "good" registry "cleaner" for any
Windows OS. About the best that can be said for any of them is that
they don't always render the computer unusable each time you use one.

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry "cleaner?"

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's
certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.


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"Gerald3092" <gerald_3092@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC76FC3D-7AFF-411C-A36D-A2E8C7B3136B@microsoft.com...

> Something very interesting is the RegSeeker (known freeware registry
> cleaner) is Vista OS compatible. Sorry if I sound like a kid with my new
> Vista Home Premium - but I get the feeling persons will see this a lot
> especially around the Holidays coming up (USA) ! I run a personal
> website - Computing Safety - for about two years now and did a lot of self
> help and for others on Win XP as far as spyware removals. As I am seeing
> first hand, much of that has / will continue unfortunately right through
> Vista years as XP years are closing. First false positives ? Works set up
> folder, reported.
>
> Any comments or links about comparisons of the Windows Registry in Windows
> XP and Vista OS ? Greatly appreciated in advance. I don't want to sound
> 'spammy' but honestly I have purchased reg cleaners and nothing compares
> to free Reg Seeker and it is really sleek with Vista - upgraded by author
> with notes. A great home pc tool if you never met it. Again thanks in
> advance for any information links ......
>
> PS - in my opinion it is/will be a myth one will not notice malware
> infestation on Vista simply because new machines are two and three times
> the size of XP's. With 1gig RAM and 80gig Hardrive I can "see"
> everything - as opposed to a 512M RAM and 33Gig hardrive XP machine.
>
> gerald philly pa usa
> (actually, webmaster of bluecollarpc.net at my new notebook/Vista -
> desktop XP)
>

Don't use any of the so-called Registry cleaners. They're more apt to cause
trouble than to fix a problem.

--
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
www.fjsmjs.com
Do not send email

String comments - the good and the bad.....

Okay..... no can of worms here - because there are generally two type
responses to registry cleaners.... one are the entire community of users
that understand and use, or even endeavor to use, them happily without
problems ever - and the others who become rude (or perhaps ignorant,
uninformed) generally and call it all "snake oil" (bogus fake products).
Obviously an ongoing shareware industry including registry cleaners for
years and years with millions of customers for this one product (registry
cleaners) kind of really, really, really shoots down the idea that a
registry cleaner is a fake product or dangerous to an informed user.

The best advice I am seeing here in the string comments are what I agree
with - and that is that unless you are knowledgeable you should not be using
a registry cleaner. This is clearly posted on RegSeeker and everywhere in
responsible community oriented areas (which I am) as well as professional
and expert websites such as Microsoft Partner Uniblue and Microsoft.com for
examples. The possible ignorance I sense in some commenting is that thinking
you should never clean up the trash from a computer that includes temporary
internet files and left over files and registry items from uninstalls or
even malware remnants is simply ignorance perhaps - meaning without
knowledge of - according to professionals and experts. These terms -
professional and expert - to be clear, I am referring to as commercial
enterprise persons (professionals in the registry cleaner shareware
'industry') and the actual Windows creators and theirs (Microsoft). These
all agree in clean up and recommend it - even if for simply regaining very
valuable disk space in older computers with Windows XP and earlier. Like I
said, no can of worms here - but I don't think an informed public will agree
that registry cleaners are fake and dangerous products and quite obviously.

It seems these type of 'argumentative' comments tend to be a discussion
fight over the perhaps third of world computer users who kind of refuse to
get involved with anything but 'pushing buttons, and if it don't go - it
don't go'.... meaning the rest all too well understand malware threats and a
'clean machine' and computer health recommended by everyone responsible as
commenting or instructing or advising and which does include the continual
or occasional use of a registry cleaner by these - the informed public, the
commercial shareware professionals, and the Experts.

I am not going further with the original post I made as to replying any
further because of the can of worms scenario that is generally fueled as/by
"forum trolls" from experience. Who am I ? Just an average informed consumer
making and promoting 'informed choices'. I have mentioned some sources of
respected information that help to create an informed public in these areas
and my personal websites explain the rest for a 'need to know' basis. In
other words, I qualify my opinions as an Advanced User (professional and
expert rating of my abilities) on Windows and I offer community help
websites reflecting that. Am I a professional ? Am I an expert ? No not at
all. However, I have a slight edge in that I earned a Data Processor
Certificate which in today's language means "IT" in short. If you do not go
back to IBM days (1960's - 1970's) well I will briefly explain this to you.
There is absolutely nothing that went into, as example, a 9200/9300 Series
Sperry Rand / Univac with COBOL computer system except through a Data
Processor or the actual owner permissions. Sounds like IT to me ...... have
a nice day.

gerald philly pa usa
webmaster bluecollarpcnet/org

"Gerald3092" <gerald_3092@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC76FC3D-7AFF-411C-A36D-A2E8C7B3136B@microsoft.com...

> Something very interesting is the RegSeeker (known freeware registry
> cleaner) is Vista OS compatible. Sorry if I sound like a kid with my new
> Vista Home Premium - but I get the feeling persons will see this a lot
> especially around the Holidays coming up (USA) ! I run a personal
> website - Computing Safety - for about two years now and did a lot of self
> help and for others on Win XP as far as spyware removals. As I am seeing
> first hand, much of that has / will continue unfortunately right through
> Vista years as XP years are closing. First false positives ? Works set up
> folder, reported.
>
> Any comments or links about comparisons of the Windows Registry in Windows
> XP and Vista OS ? Greatly appreciated in advance. I don't want to sound
> 'spammy' but honestly I have purchased reg cleaners and nothing compares
> to free Reg Seeker and it is really sleek with Vista - upgraded by author
> with notes. A great home pc tool if you never met it. Again thanks in
> advance for any information links ......
>
> PS - in my opinion it is/will be a myth one will not notice malware
> infestation on Vista simply because new machines are two and three times
> the size of XP's. With 1gig RAM and 80gig Hardrive I can "see"
> everything - as opposed to a 512M RAM and 33Gig hardrive XP machine.
>
> gerald philly pa usa
> (actually, webmaster of bluecollarpc.net at my new notebook/Vista -
> desktop XP)
>

"Gerald3092" <gerald_3092@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uKbw#MTGIHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> String comments - the good and the bad.....
>
> Obviously an ongoing shareware industry including registry cleaners for
> years and years with millions of customers for this one product (registry
> cleaners) kind of really, really, really shoots down the idea that a
> registry cleaner is a fake product or dangerous to an informed user.

So, because millions of people have bought snake oil, it proves the snake
oil isn't snake oil?

> The best advice I am seeing here in the string comments are what I agree
> with - and that is that unless you are knowledgeable you should not be
> using a registry cleaner.

Not exactly, the suggestion is that if you are a knowledgeable user, a
automatic reg cleaner is of little value, particularly the "cleaning" part.
The wide variety of expertise needed to effectively optimize the registry is
beyond all but a very select few. Hint: if you have time to read and post to
this newsgroup, you aren't one of them.

Sure, there's a few basics that more experienced users will pick up, such as
adding a few context menus, manually editing a few associations or
pretending to tweak some esoteric networking settings, but this hardly
qualifies you to optimize your registry as a whole.

>This is clearly posted on RegSeeker and everywhere in responsible community
>oriented areas (which I am)

You're a community oriented area? Sorry, couldn't resist.

> The possible ignorance I sense in some commenting is that thinking you
> should never clean up the trash from a computer that includes temporary
> internet files and left over files and registry items from uninstalls or
> even malware remnants is simply ignorance perhaps - meaning without
> knowledge of - according to professionals and experts.

You seem to be suggesting that files and folder structures are the same as
the registry. Temp files and caches are vastly different than what a reg
cleaner offers to do.

> These terms - professional and expert - to be clear, I am referring to as
> commercial enterprise persons (professionals in the registry cleaner
> shareware 'industry') and the actual Windows creators and theirs
> (Microsoft). These all agree in clean up and recommend it - even if for
> simply regaining very valuable disk space in older computers with Windows
> XP and earlier.

You're suggesting that the makers of reg cleaners suggest and agree that
their products are of great value? Spyware companies make the same claim.
Cleaning up orphaned temp files and the like will save disk space, cleaning
up a few dozen orphaned reg entries won't.

> It seems these type of 'argumentative' comments tend to be a discussion
> fight over the perhaps third of world computer users who kind of refuse to
> get involved with anything but 'pushing buttons, and if it don't go - it
> don't go'.... meaning the rest all too well understand malware threats and
> a 'clean machine' and computer health recommended by everyone responsible
> as commenting or instructing or advising and which does include the
> continual or occasional use of a registry cleaner by these - the informed
> public, the commercial shareware professionals, and the Experts.

A button pusher wouldn't bother getting argumentative about the lack of
value in a reg cleaner. Informed techies will, particularly those that have
paid witness to the havoc a button pusher can do when they decide they
simply must take reg cleaning "seriously".

> Am I a professional ? Am I an expert ? No not at all. However, I have a
> slight edge in that I earned a Data Processor Certificate which in today's
> language means "IT" in short. If you do not go back to IBM days (1960's -
> 1970's) well I will briefly explain this to you. There is absolutely
> nothing that went into, as example, a 9200/9300 Series Sperry Rand /
> Univac with COBOL computer system except through a Data Processor or the
> actual owner permissions. Sounds like IT to me ...... have a nice day.

You'll never convince anybody you have a slight edge by quoting your history
online, just doesn't work that way.

numerous times have I been called out to somebody who had a problem,
didn't ask an expert what to do, ran a registry cleaner and its entirely
screwed up the system, giving spontaneous errors, disabling drives,
stopping hardware working.

it may keep us in business but its a pain when people just don't listen
:P


--
Choogster

** HTTP://WWW.64BITDRIVERS.COM ***
The Ultimate Web2.0 64bit driver resource

My personal favorite is the cleaner than continue to find dozens (or
hundreds in some cases) of errors to fix on repeated runs.

Reg cleaning is the RAM optimizer for the NT generation.

"Choogster" <Choogster.2z5vo2@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:Choogster.2z5vo2@no-mx.forums.net...

>
> numerous times have I been called out to somebody who had a problem,
> didn't ask an expert what to do, ran a registry cleaner and its entirely
> screwed up the system, giving spontaneous errors, disabling drives,
> stopping hardware working.
>
> it may keep us in business but its a pain when people just don't listen
> :P
>
>
> --
> Choogster
>
> ** HTTP://WWW.64BITDRIVERS.COM ***
> The Ultimate Web2.0 64bit driver resource

I, for my sins, always stick to the maxim 'if you are not competent enough to
edit the registry manually, leave well alone.' Far to many users rave about
this or that registry cleaner only to have the fear of God put into them when
they see hundreds of registry problems when first using registry cleaner
software. In most cases these are false positives and cause more concern ofr
the general user than simply leaving things well alone.
--

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Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

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"Gerald3092" wrote:

> Something very interesting is the RegSeeker (known freeware registry
> cleaner) is Vista OS compatible. Sorry if I sound like a kid with my new
> Vista Home Premium - but I get the feeling persons will see this a lot
> especially around the Holidays coming up (USA) ! I run a personal website -
> Computing Safety - for about two years now and did a lot of self help and
> for others on Win XP as far as spyware removals. As I am seeing first hand,
> much of that has / will continue unfortunately right through Vista years as
> XP years are closing. First false positives ? Works set up folder, reported.
>
> Any comments or links about comparisons of the Windows Registry in Windows
> XP and Vista OS ? Greatly appreciated in advance. I don't want to sound
> 'spammy' but honestly I have purchased reg cleaners and nothing compares to
> free Reg Seeker and it is really sleek with Vista - upgraded by author with
> notes. A great home pc tool if you never met it. Again thanks in advance for
> any information links ......
>
> PS - in my opinion it is/will be a myth one will not notice malware
> infestation on Vista simply because new machines are two and three times the
> size of XP's. With 1gig RAM and 80gig Hardrive I can "see" everything - as
> opposed to a 512M RAM and 33Gig hardrive XP machine.
>
> gerald philly pa usa
> (actually, webmaster of bluecollarpc.net at my new notebook/Vista - desktop
> XP)
>