Vista's Junctions

Posted: 01-31-2009, 07:28 PM

Okay, so I'm finally getting around to really exploring Vista for the first
time, and I found a bunch of hidden junction folders that, at first glance,
appeared not to be working. Of course, I later realized that there was a
Deny permission issue going on, and after Googling it, I discovered that
that was by design. "Why deny folder browsing only?" I won't ask, but fine,
it's by design.

I suspect that early on, I might have deleted one or two of these apparently
non-functioning junctions. Is there a way to get Vista to re-create the
default junctions? Or do I even need to...will it do so automatically when
an older app tries to use them?


Thanks,
Rob

Vista's Junctions


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Tyro
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Re: Vista's Junctions
Posted: 01-31-2009, 08:18 PM
Junctions are used by Vista to re-direct references to folders in older
windows versions of windows such as Windows XP's "Documents and Settings" to
the appropriate folder in vista. You may see junctions from a command window
with "dir %userprofile% /ad Junctions, like many other things that belong
to Vista, are best left alone. A junction is a shortcut. However, according
to the documentation I have, deleting a shortcut just deletes the pointer,
not the pointee but deleting a junction also deletes the pointee! I have
never played with this and I'm not about to find out about it the hard way.

Tyro

"Robert Morley" <rmorley@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message
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>
> Okay, so I'm finally getting around to really exploring Vista for the
> first time, and I found a bunch of hidden junction folders that, at first
> glance, appeared not to be working. Of course, I later realized that
> there was a Deny permission issue going on, and after Googling it, I
> discovered that that was by design. "Why deny folder browsing only?" I
> won't ask, but fine, it's by design.
>
> I suspect that early on, I might have deleted one or two of these
> apparently non-functioning junctions. Is there a way to get Vista to
> re-create the default junctions? Or do I even need to...will it do so
> automatically when an older app tries to use them?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
CBoom
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Re: Vista's Junctions
Posted: 02-01-2009, 04:53 AM
do a system restore..

to a time before you deleted those...

many xp era programs will need them to install


"Robert Morley" <rmorley@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message
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>
> Okay, so I'm finally getting around to really exploring Vista for the
> first time, and I found a bunch of hidden junction folders that, at first
> glance, appeared not to be working. Of course, I later realized that
> there was a Deny permission issue going on, and after Googling it, I
> discovered that that was by design. "Why deny folder browsing only?" I
> won't ask, but fine, it's by design.
>
> I suspect that early on, I might have deleted one or two of these
> apparently non-functioning junctions. Is there a way to get Vista to
> re-create the default junctions? Or do I even need to...will it do so
> automatically when an older app tries to use them?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
Poutnik
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Re: Vista's Junctions
Posted: 02-01-2009, 03:27 PM
In article <Cm2hl.20051$ZP4.3052@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>, Tyro@Tyros.com
says...
>
> Junctions are used by Vista to re-direct references to folders in older
> windows versions of windows such as Windows XP's "Documents and Settings" to
> the appropriate folder in vista. You may see junctions from a command window
> with "dir %userprofile% /ad Junctions, like many other things that belong
> to Vista, are best left alone. A junction is a shortcut. However, according
> to the documentation I have, deleting a shortcut just deletes the pointer,
> not the pointee but deleting a junction also deletes the pointee! I have
> never played with this and I'm not about to find out about it the hard way.
>
on vista one need to distinguish

for folders
between explorer shortcuts ( *.lnk )
junctions ( see mklink /J )
and folder symlinks ( see mklink /D )

for files
between explorer shortcuts ( *.lnk )
symlinks ( softlinks) see mklink )
and hardlinks ( see mklink /H )


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Poutnik
Tyro
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Re: Vista's Junctions
Posted: 02-01-2009, 04:06 PM
?

Tyro

"Poutnik" <poutnikletspamisoutofabox@atlas.cz> wrote in message
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> In article <Cm2hl.20051$ZP4.3052@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>, Tyro@Tyros.com
> says...
>>
>> Junctions are used by Vista to re-direct references to folders in older
>> windows versions of windows such as Windows XP's "Documents and Settings"
>> to
>> the appropriate folder in vista. You may see junctions from a command
>> window
>> with "dir %userprofile% /ad Junctions, like many other things that
>> belong
>> to Vista, are best left alone. A junction is a shortcut. However,
>> according
>> to the documentation I have, deleting a shortcut just deletes the
>> pointer,
>> not the pointee but deleting a junction also deletes the pointee! I have
>> never played with this and I'm not about to find out about it the hard
>> way.
>>
> on vista one need to distinguish
>
> for folders
> between explorer shortcuts ( *.lnk )
> junctions ( see mklink /J )
> and folder symlinks ( see mklink /D )
>
> for files
> between explorer shortcuts ( *.lnk )
> symlinks ( softlinks) see mklink )
> and hardlinks ( see mklink /H )
>
>
> --
> Poutnik
Poutnik
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Re: Vista's Junctions
Posted: 02-01-2009, 06:20 PM
In article <aMjhl.12749$as4.8458@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>, Tyro@Tyros.com
says...
>
> ?
>
> Tyro
>
If you question has more details,
I would be able to answer. :-)

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Robert Morley
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Re: Vista's Junctions
Posted: 02-01-2009, 08:43 PM
Thanks, Tyro, I knew what they were and how they worked, I just figured the
junctions I saw were "broken" until I really paid attention to the fact that
it was a security message I was seeing, not a "not found" message.

It's a moot point now in any event, cuz it never occurred to me to check my
scanner for Vista compatibility, so shortly after installing Vista, I ended
up ripping it out to install a dual boot of XP/Vista, thus re-instating any
junctions I may have deleted.

This time, I won't make the same mistake...though I may go around and remove
those silly "Deny" permission attributes...they're just annoying!



Rob

Tyro wrote:
> Junctions are used by Vista to re-direct references to folders in older
> windows versions of windows such as Windows XP's "Documents and
> Settings" to the appropriate folder in vista. You may see junctions from
> a command window with "dir %userprofile% /ad Junctions, like many
> other things that belong to Vista, are best left alone. A junction is a
> shortcut. However, according to the documentation I have, deleting a
> shortcut just deletes the pointer, not the pointee but deleting a
> junction also deletes the pointee! I have never played with this and I'm
> not about to find out about it the hard way.
>
> Tyro
>
> "Robert Morley" <rmorley@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message
> news:OIWjjo9gJHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Okay, so I'm finally getting around to really exploring Vista for the
>> first time, and I found a bunch of hidden junction folders that, at
>> first glance, appeared not to be working. Of course, I later realized
>> that there was a Deny permission issue going on, and after Googling
>> it, I discovered that that was by design. "Why deny folder browsing
>> only?" I won't ask, but fine, it's by design.
>>
>> I suspect that early on, I might have deleted one or two of these
>> apparently non-functioning junctions. Is there a way to get Vista to
>> re-create the default junctions? Or do I even need to...will it do so
>> automatically when an older app tries to use them?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
Robert Morley
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Re: Vista's Junctions
Posted: 02-01-2009, 08:45 PM
That might've worked, had I not temporarily turned off System Restore.
<blush> It made sense to me at the time!

As I said in my other message, though, it's a moot point now, so no worries.
Thanks for the idea, though.


Rob

CBoom wrote:
> do a system restore..
>
> to a time before you deleted those...
>
> many xp era programs will need them to install
>
>
> "Robert Morley" <rmorley@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message
> news:OIWjjo9gJHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Okay, so I'm finally getting around to really exploring Vista for the
>> first time, and I found a bunch of hidden junction folders that, at
>> first glance, appeared not to be working. Of course, I later realized
>> that there was a Deny permission issue going on, and after Googling
>> it, I discovered that that was by design. "Why deny folder browsing
>> only?" I won't ask, but fine, it's by design.
>>
>> I suspect that early on, I might have deleted one or two of these
>> apparently non-functioning junctions. Is there a way to get Vista to
>> re-create the default junctions? Or do I even need to...will it do so
>> automatically when an older app tries to use them?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
NetLink_Blue
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Re: Vista's Junctions
Posted: 02-04-2009, 04:34 PM
You mention in another message that you are dual-booting now. WinXP &
Vista.

You might already know about a System Restore quirk when setup to dual-boot.
Your System Restore points will constantly be erased, as you boot between XP
and Vista. Now that I have XP upgraded to -SP_3 service pack, my restore
points "hold" under that OS. Vista's System Restore points still get wiped
out if I boot into XP, then back into Vista.

Thought you should know.

NetLink


"Robert Morley" <rmorley@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message
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> That might've worked, had I not temporarily turned off System Restore.
> <blush> It made sense to me at the time!
>
> As I said in my other message, though, it's a moot point now, so no
> worries. Thanks for the idea, though.
>
>
> Rob
>
> CBoom wrote:
>> do a system restore..
>>
>> to a time before you deleted those...
>>
>> many xp era programs will need them to install
Robert Morley
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Re: Vista's Junctions
Posted: 02-11-2009, 10:23 PM
Thanks for the info, I was unaware of that issue.


Rob

NetLink_Blue wrote:
> You mention in another message that you are dual-booting now. WinXP &
> Vista.
>
> You might already know about a System Restore quirk when setup to
> dual-boot.
> Your System Restore points will constantly be erased, as you boot
> between XP
> and Vista. Now that I have XP upgraded to -SP_3 service pack, my restore
> points "hold" under that OS. Vista's System Restore points still get wiped
> out if I boot into XP, then back into Vista.
>
> Thought you should know.
>
> NetLink
 
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