Wanna install software easily?

Thanks, Rick. I completely understand the benefits
of UAC. For some reason, Office 2003 just would
not install with UAC turned. Perhaps, it was coincidence
that it installed after turning off UAC. I had made
numerous attempts at installing Office.

For what it's worth, I have been working with UAC on,
and believe once you get your computer setup, personalized,
and the programs you want- UAC is not so bad.

However, I do believe unless UAC is tweaked some more
and a few of the prompts eliminated- a lot of users will just
simply turn it off permanently.


-Michael

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message news:us7Ge8N1GHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Hi Michael,
>
> UAC, by design, blocks any attempt at installation until the user approves
> it. If you know you are installing, running setup as administrator should be
> sufficient (has been for everything I tried installing, including Office
> 2003). UAC's biggest assett is blocking sureptitious installers, allowing
> the end user to block unwanted "drive by" installers at web sites and in
> emails. Disabling it is like opening the barn door. Closing it later is
> about of the same usefulness. It may be a tad bit annoying, but so is
> spending an afternoon removing unwanted spyware and viruses.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:%23di8o0N1GHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Just turn that dam annoying UAC off.
>>
>> If you know where the software came from and trust the provider-
>> install the programs you want and then turn UAC back on.
>> I could not get Office 2003 to install, it was driving me crazy.
>> Yes, I tried run as administrator. Finally, I just turned UAC off,
>> and it installed without a hitch- works great on Vista. Here's
>> what I'm thinking- when you click to run the install or setup on
>> some of these programs, that just starts an extraction process
>> and then the actual setup is run after that. I think UAC is blocking
>> some software and doing so without giving you a prompt. Or,
>> the "blocking" disrupts the install in some way, causing it to fail.
>>
>> Just my opinion. What do you guys think?
>>
>>
>> -Michael

>

UAC is something I'd never turn off permanently
however for installing trusted software meaning software I have installed
before and know exactly what to expect, I do turn off UAC and turn it back
on after I have installed the software.
And I really like UAC once the pc is setup and running well, you don't even
know it's there

The only thing I would suggest as a change would be to add a feature such as
"install as administrator"and put it in as an override of UAC as opposed to
"run as administrator" which doesn't override UAC that would make life a lot
easier for people who frequently install software.
And have the added feature of "install as administrator" only available when
logged on as administrator.

Just an idea but I believe a lot of people would agree that it's worth
considdering

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:eZqwxJO1GHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Thanks, Rick. I completely understand the benefits
> of UAC. For some reason, Office 2003 just would
> not install with UAC turned. Perhaps, it was coincidence
> that it installed after turning off UAC. I had made numerous attempts at
> installing Office.
>
> For what it's worth, I have been working with UAC on,
> and believe once you get your computer setup, personalized,
> and the programs you want- UAC is not so bad.
>
> However, I do believe unless UAC is tweaked some more
> and a few of the prompts eliminated- a lot of users will just
> simply turn it off permanently.
>
>
> -Michael
>
> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:us7Ge8N1GHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> UAC, by design, blocks any attempt at installation until the user
>> approves it. If you know you are installing, running setup as
>> administrator should be sufficient (has been for everything I tried
>> installing, including Office 2003). UAC's biggest assett is blocking
>> sureptitious installers, allowing the end user to block unwanted "drive
>> by" installers at web sites and in emails. Disabling it is like opening
>> the barn door. Closing it later is about of the same usefulness. It may
>> be a tad bit annoying, but so is spending an afternoon removing unwanted
>> spyware and viruses.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23di8o0N1GHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Just turn that dam annoying UAC off.
>>>
>>> If you know where the software came from and trust the provider-
>>> install the programs you want and then turn UAC back on.
>>> I could not get Office 2003 to install, it was driving me crazy.
>>> Yes, I tried run as administrator. Finally, I just turned UAC off,
>>> and it installed without a hitch- works great on Vista. Here's
>>> what I'm thinking- when you click to run the install or setup on
>>> some of these programs, that just starts an extraction process
>>> and then the actual setup is run after that. I think UAC is blocking
>>> some software and doing so without giving you a prompt. Or,
>>> the "blocking" disrupts the install in some way, causing it to fail.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion. What do you guys think?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael

>>

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:eZqwxJO1GHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Thanks, Rick. I completely understand the benefits
> of UAC. For some reason, Office 2003 just would
> not install with UAC turned. Perhaps, it was coincidence
> that it installed after turning off UAC. I had made numerous attempts at
> installing Office.
>
> For what it's worth, I have been working with UAC on,
> and believe once you get your computer setup, personalized,
> and the programs you want- UAC is not so bad.
>
> However, I do believe unless UAC is tweaked some more
> and a few of the prompts eliminated- a lot of users will just
> simply turn it off permanently.

Maybe they could have UAC so it can be customised so certain things prompt
and others don't. Have the default configuration for new users and a
customisable one for advanced users.

Yes that does sound sensible
"Beck" <beck@none> wrote in message
news:%237p37nO1GHA.328@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:eZqwxJO1GHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Thanks, Rick. I completely understand the benefits
>> of UAC. For some reason, Office 2003 just would
>> not install with UAC turned. Perhaps, it was coincidence
>> that it installed after turning off UAC. I had made numerous attempts at
>> installing Office.
>>
>> For what it's worth, I have been working with UAC on,
>> and believe once you get your computer setup, personalized,
>> and the programs you want- UAC is not so bad.
>>
>> However, I do believe unless UAC is tweaked some more
>> and a few of the prompts eliminated- a lot of users will just
>> simply turn it off permanently.

>
> Maybe they could have UAC so it can be customised so certain things prompt
> and others don't. Have the default configuration for new users and a
> customisable one for advanced users.

"Beck" wrote:

>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:eZqwxJO1GHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > Thanks, Rick. I completely understand the benefits
> > of UAC. For some reason, Office 2003 just would
> > not install with UAC turned. Perhaps, it was coincidence
> > that it installed after turning off UAC. I had made numerous attempts at
> > installing Office.
> >
> > For what it's worth, I have been working with UAC on,
> > and believe once you get your computer setup, personalized,
> > and the programs you want- UAC is not so bad.
> >
> > However, I do believe unless UAC is tweaked some more
> > and a few of the prompts eliminated- a lot of users will just
> > simply turn it off permanently.

>
> Maybe they could have UAC so it can be customised so certain things prompt
> and others don't. Have the default configuration for new users and a
> customisable one for advanced users.
>

I agree and not just for installable programs. Some trusted executables are
self-contained and don't need an installer. The Computer Clock synchronizer
from NIST, as an example, see:

http://tf.nist.gov/service/its.htm <- download link on right side

I think Microsoft should make it so that an Administrator can right-click
some executable and turn off UAC for it and all of it's spawned processes.

YES, YES, YES!

> I think Microsoft should make it so that an Administrator can right-click
> some executable and turn off UAC for it and all of it's spawned processes.

Sure, then someone just needs to exploit that executable to infect the
system. Sorry, but it just isn't a good idea. UAC is not designed to keep
user designated applications from running, it's designed to keep unwanted
processes from usurping them or taking advantage of elevate privileges.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Sailfish" <Sailfish@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EF9483B6-CCD7-4214-A72F-255B383DDB8D@microsoft.com...

> "Beck" wrote:

>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:eZqwxJO1GHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> > Thanks, Rick. I completely understand the benefits
>> > of UAC. For some reason, Office 2003 just would
>> > not install with UAC turned. Perhaps, it was coincidence
>> > that it installed after turning off UAC. I had made numerous attempts
>> > at
>> > installing Office.
>> >
>> > For what it's worth, I have been working with UAC on,
>> > and believe once you get your computer setup, personalized,
>> > and the programs you want- UAC is not so bad.
>> >
>> > However, I do believe unless UAC is tweaked some more
>> > and a few of the prompts eliminated- a lot of users will just
>> > simply turn it off permanently.

>>
>> Maybe they could have UAC so it can be customised so certain things
>> prompt
>> and others don't. Have the default configuration for new users and a
>> customisable one for advanced users.
>>

> I agree and not just for installable programs. Some trusted executables
> are
> self-contained and don't need an installer. The Computer Clock
> synchronizer
> from NIST, as an example, see:
>
> http://tf.nist.gov/service/its.htm <- download link on right side
>
> I think Microsoft should make it so that an Administrator can right-click
> some executable and turn off UAC for it and all of it's spawned processes.

I have to agree with Michael. When and if users purchase Vista and find that
a majority of their programs won't run correctly with UAC turned on they will
disable the option. It appears like the industry wants everyone to upgrade
their software to later versions that have trusted signatures so that they
function okay with Vista. I am afraid that isn't going to happen simply
because of cost. Most people will complain and then simple turn off defender
and UAC.

Besides I am not sure that UAC is going to be successful anyway. If you can
turn off the option or permit programs to function as an administrator how
long is it going to take the trojan writers to figure out how to take control
of Vista?

"MICHAEL" wrote:

> Thanks, Rick. I completely understand the benefits
> of UAC. For some reason, Office 2003 just would
> not install with UAC turned. Perhaps, it was coincidence
> that it installed after turning off UAC. I had made
> numerous attempts at installing Office.
>
> For what it's worth, I have been working with UAC on,
> and believe once you get your computer setup, personalized,
> and the programs you want- UAC is not so bad.
>
> However, I do believe unless UAC is tweaked some more
> and a few of the prompts eliminated- a lot of users will just
> simply turn it off permanently.
>
>
> -Michael
>
> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message news:us7Ge8N1GHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > UAC, by design, blocks any attempt at installation until the user approves
> > it. If you know you are installing, running setup as administrator should be
> > sufficient (has been for everything I tried installing, including Office
> > 2003). UAC's biggest assett is blocking sureptitious installers, allowing
> > the end user to block unwanted "drive by" installers at web sites and in
> > emails. Disabling it is like opening the barn door. Closing it later is
> > about of the same usefulness. It may be a tad bit annoying, but so is
> > spending an afternoon removing unwanted spyware and viruses.
> >
> > --
> > Best of Luck,
> >
> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> > Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> >
> > "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
> > news:%23di8o0N1GHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >> Just turn that dam annoying UAC off.
> >>
> >> If you know where the software came from and trust the provider-
> >> install the programs you want and then turn UAC back on.
> >> I could not get Office 2003 to install, it was driving me crazy.
> >> Yes, I tried run as administrator. Finally, I just turned UAC off,
> >> and it installed without a hitch- works great on Vista. Here's
> >> what I'm thinking- when you click to run the install or setup on
> >> some of these programs, that just starts an extraction process
> >> and then the actual setup is run after that. I think UAC is blocking
> >> some software and doing so without giving you a prompt. Or,
> >> the "blocking" disrupts the install in some way, causing it to fail.
> >>
> >> Just my opinion. What do you guys think?
> >>
> >>
> >> -Michael

> >

>