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Well Andy you asked for it, so here it comes: RAM EWF Related

Posted: 09-07-2003, 01:24 PM
Slobodan Brcin
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I think that it is possible to implement RAM based EWF so that during FBA
EWF doesn't need partition.
Correct me if I'm wrong but let us consider following two scenarios:

First:

XPE passes all FBA phases without EWF installed. In last FBA step EWF get
installed and working from next restart.

Second:
EWF is installed like currently implemented. But instead of creating EWF
partition, every info you need could be stored in registry, or in some file
on XPE disk.
And EWF could be committed during all FBA restarts, so information's you
need could be preserved.


I don't know what info you need to save but previous scenario probably can
be done with very little modification to EWF.
I guessing that need for partition support during FBA is inherited from disk
based overlay support, so only thing you should do is to separate those two
cases

This would ease use of EWF during development and would avoid all problems
with strange cases when EWF wont install.


Hope that this feedback is useful,

Slobodan


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Andy Allred [MS]
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Re: Well Andy you asked for it, so here it comes: RAM EWF Related
Posted: 09-07-2003, 07:49 PM
Thanks again Slobodan, I'll forward your comments to the team. Write Filter
technology will obviously be much better in future releases (and I think
you'll agree) since we have learned so much from XPe w/EWF, partly due all
the feedback we've received in how to do better. The same can be said about
componentization, reduction in footprint, boundary analysis of CoreOS,
etc...

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"Slobodan Brcin" <sbrcin@ptt.yu> wrote in message
news:OVjOwsTdDHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I think that it is possible to implement RAM based EWF so that during FBA
> EWF doesn't need partition.
> Correct me if I'm wrong but let us consider following two scenarios:
>
> First:
>
> XPE passes all FBA phases without EWF installed. In last FBA step EWF get
> installed and working from next restart.
>
> Second:
> EWF is installed like currently implemented. But instead of creating EWF
> partition, every info you need could be stored in registry, or in some
file
> on XPE disk.
> And EWF could be committed during all FBA restarts, so information's you
> need could be preserved.
>
>
> I don't know what info you need to save but previous scenario probably can
> be done with very little modification to EWF.
> I guessing that need for partition support during FBA is inherited from
disk
> based overlay support, so only thing you should do is to separate those
two
> cases
>
> This would ease use of EWF during development and would avoid all problems
> with strange cases when EWF wont install.
>
>
> Hope that this feedback is useful,
>
> Slobodan
>
>

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Slobodan Brcin
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Re: Well Andy you asked for it, so here it comes: RAM EWF Related
Posted: 09-07-2003, 09:46 PM
> Thanks again Slobodan, I'll forward your comments to the team. Write
Filter
> technology will obviously be much better in future releases (and I think
> you'll agree)...
Yes I agree.

If (when) you make RAM EWF to be independent of extra partition it will be
very easy to use for all.
And there should be much less questions regarding EWF usage. Also issues
regarding partitions when EWF wont start will be extinct.


Best regards,
Slobodan


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Smeagle
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Re: Well Andy you asked for it, so here it comes: RAM EWF Related
Posted: 09-08-2003, 02:56 PM
Andy,

Can you give us some idea of when the next release of the XPe toolkit will be?

Thanks,

Smeagle



"Andy Allred [MS]" wrote:
> Thanks again Slobodan, I'll forward your comments to the team. Write Filter
> technology will obviously be much better in future releases (and I think
> you'll agree) since we have learned so much from XPe w/EWF, partly due all
> the feedback we've received in how to do better. The same can be said about
> componentization, reduction in footprint, boundary analysis of CoreOS,
> etc...
>
> --
> Andy
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
> ================================================== ===
>
> "Slobodan Brcin" <sbrcin@ptt.yu> wrote in message
> news:OVjOwsTdDHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > I think that it is possible to implement RAM based EWF so that during FBA
> > EWF doesn't need partition.
> > Correct me if I'm wrong but let us consider following two scenarios:
> >
> > First:
> >
> > XPE passes all FBA phases without EWF installed. In last FBA step EWF get
> > installed and working from next restart.
> >
> > Second:
> > EWF is installed like currently implemented. But instead of creating EWF
> > partition, every info you need could be stored in registry, or in some
> file
> > on XPE disk.
> > And EWF could be committed during all FBA restarts, so information's you
> > need could be preserved.
> >
> >
> > I don't know what info you need to save but previous scenario probably can
> > be done with very little modification to EWF.
> > I guessing that need for partition support during FBA is inherited from
> disk
> > based overlay support, so only thing you should do is to separate those
> two
> > cases
> >
> > This would ease use of EWF during development and would avoid all problems
> > with strange cases when EWF wont install.
> >
> >
> > Hope that this feedback is useful,
> >
> > Slobodan
> >
> >
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Andy Allred [MS]
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Re: Well Andy you asked for it, so here it comes: RAM EWF Related
Posted: 09-08-2003, 04:12 PM
Sorry Smeagle, no matter what I say with respect to features or time
schedules, there will surely be changes made in the interim that make any
statements incorrect - other than "there will be changes in future releases
of Windows Embedded".

If you have any feedback on the tools or Embedded Enabling Features please
let me know.

BTW, I like the reference between your alias and your domain <grin>

Andy
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"Smeagle" <Smeagle@gollum.com> wrote in message
news:3F5C8A7E.A9EB6E48@gollum.com...
> Andy,
>
> Can you give us some idea of when the next release of the XPe toolkit will
be?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Smeagle
>
>
>
> "Andy Allred [MS]" wrote:
>
> > Thanks again Slobodan, I'll forward your comments to the team. Write
Filter
> > technology will obviously be much better in future releases (and I think
> > you'll agree) since we have learned so much from XPe w/EWF, partly due
all
> > the feedback we've received in how to do better. The same can be said
about
> > componentization, reduction in footprint, boundary analysis of CoreOS,
> > etc...
> >
> > --
> > Andy
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.
> > ================================================== ===
> >
> > "Slobodan Brcin" <sbrcin@ptt.yu> wrote in message
> > news:OVjOwsTdDHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > I think that it is possible to implement RAM based EWF so that during
FBA
> > > EWF doesn't need partition.
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong but let us consider following two scenarios:
> > >
> > > First:
> > >
> > > XPE passes all FBA phases without EWF installed. In last FBA step EWF
get
> > > installed and working from next restart.
> > >
> > > Second:
> > > EWF is installed like currently implemented. But instead of creating
EWF
> > > partition, every info you need could be stored in registry, or in some
> > file
> > > on XPE disk.
> > > And EWF could be committed during all FBA restarts, so information's
you
> > > need could be preserved.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know what info you need to save but previous scenario probably
can
> > > be done with very little modification to EWF.
> > > I guessing that need for partition support during FBA is inherited
from
> > disk
> > > based overlay support, so only thing you should do is to separate
those
> > two
> > > cases
> > >
> > > This would ease use of EWF during development and would avoid all
problems
> > > with strange cases when EWF wont install.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope that this feedback is useful,
> > >
> > > Slobodan
> > >
> > >
>

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Smeagle
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Re: Well Andy you asked for it, so here it comes: RAM EWF Related
Posted: 09-08-2003, 04:26 PM
Andy,

It would be really nice to have a Microsoft sanctioned way (in the interest of
fast boot time) to hibernate once, and resume several times from the same
protected image.

Thanks,

Smeagle

"Andy Allred [MS]" wrote:
> Sorry Smeagle, no matter what I say with respect to features or time
> schedules, there will surely be changes made in the interim that make any
> statements incorrect - other than "there will be changes in future releases
> of Windows Embedded".
>
> If you have any feedback on the tools or Embedded Enabling Features please
> let me know.
>
> BTW, I like the reference between your alias and your domain <grin>
>
> Andy
> --
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> ================================================== ========
>
> "Smeagle" <Smeagle@gollum.com> wrote in message
> news:3F5C8A7E.A9EB6E48@gollum.com...
> > Andy,
> >
> > Can you give us some idea of when the next release of the XPe toolkit will
> be?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Smeagle
> >
> >
> >
> > "Andy Allred [MS]" wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks again Slobodan, I'll forward your comments to the team. Write
> Filter
> > > technology will obviously be much better in future releases (and I think
> > > you'll agree) since we have learned so much from XPe w/EWF, partly due
> all
> > > the feedback we've received in how to do better. The same can be said
> about
> > > componentization, reduction in footprint, boundary analysis of CoreOS,
> > > etc...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > > rights.
> > > ================================================== ===
> > >
> > > "Slobodan Brcin" <sbrcin@ptt.yu> wrote in message
> > > news:OVjOwsTdDHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > I think that it is possible to implement RAM based EWF so that during
> FBA
> > > > EWF doesn't need partition.
> > > > Correct me if I'm wrong but let us consider following two scenarios:
> > > >
> > > > First:
> > > >
> > > > XPE passes all FBA phases without EWF installed. In last FBA step EWF
> get
> > > > installed and working from next restart.
> > > >
> > > > Second:
> > > > EWF is installed like currently implemented. But instead of creating
> EWF
> > > > partition, every info you need could be stored in registry, or in some
> > > file
> > > > on XPE disk.
> > > > And EWF could be committed during all FBA restarts, so information's
> you
> > > > need could be preserved.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what info you need to save but previous scenario probably
> can
> > > > be done with very little modification to EWF.
> > > > I guessing that need for partition support during FBA is inherited
> from
> > > disk
> > > > based overlay support, so only thing you should do is to separate
> those
> > > two
> > > > cases
> > > >
> > > > This would ease use of EWF during development and would avoid all
> problems
> > > > with strange cases when EWF wont install.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope that this feedback is useful,
> > > >
> > > > Slobodan
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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Andy Allred [MS]
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Re: Well Andy you asked for it, so here it comes: RAM EWF Related
Posted: 09-08-2003, 04:48 PM
I agree that would be cool, this has been requested before. Stay tuned.

Thanks

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"Smeagle" <Smeagle@gollum.com> wrote in message
news:3F5C9FC0.548E7E4F@gollum.com...
> Andy,
>
> It would be really nice to have a Microsoft sanctioned way (in the
interest of
> fast boot time) to hibernate once, and resume several times from the same
> protected image.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Smeagle
>
> "Andy Allred [MS]" wrote:
>
> > Sorry Smeagle, no matter what I say with respect to features or time
> > schedules, there will surely be changes made in the interim that make
any
> > statements incorrect - other than "there will be changes in future
releases
> > of Windows Embedded".
> >
> > If you have any feedback on the tools or Embedded Enabling Features
please
> > let me know.
> >
> > BTW, I like the reference between your alias and your domain <grin>
> >
> > Andy
> > --
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> > ================================================== ========
> >
> > "Smeagle" <Smeagle@gollum.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F5C8A7E.A9EB6E48@gollum.com...
> > > Andy,
> > >
> > > Can you give us some idea of when the next release of the XPe toolkit
will
> > be?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Smeagle
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andy Allred [MS]" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks again Slobodan, I'll forward your comments to the team. Write
> > Filter
> > > > technology will obviously be much better in future releases (and I
think
> > > > you'll agree) since we have learned so much from XPe w/EWF, partly
due
> > all
> > > > the feedback we've received in how to do better. The same can be
said
> > about
> > > > componentization, reduction in footprint, boundary analysis of
CoreOS,
> > > > etc...
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > > > rights.
> > > > ================================================== ===
> > > >
> > > > "Slobodan Brcin" <sbrcin@ptt.yu> wrote in message
> > > > news:OVjOwsTdDHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > I think that it is possible to implement RAM based EWF so that
during
> > FBA
> > > > > EWF doesn't need partition.
> > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong but let us consider following two
scenarios:
> > > > >
> > > > > First:
> > > > >
> > > > > XPE passes all FBA phases without EWF installed. In last FBA step
EWF
> > get
> > > > > installed and working from next restart.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second:
> > > > > EWF is installed like currently implemented. But instead of
creating
> > EWF
> > > > > partition, every info you need could be stored in registry, or in
some
> > > > file
> > > > > on XPE disk.
> > > > > And EWF could be committed during all FBA restarts, so
information's
> > you
> > > > > need could be preserved.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what info you need to save but previous scenario
probably
> > can
> > > > > be done with very little modification to EWF.
> > > > > I guessing that need for partition support during FBA is inherited
> > from
> > > > disk
> > > > > based overlay support, so only thing you should do is to separate
> > those
> > > > two
> > > > > cases
> > > > >
> > > > > This would ease use of EWF during development and would avoid all
> > problems
> > > > > with strange cases when EWF wont install.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope that this feedback is useful,
> > > > >
> > > > > Slobodan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>

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Bill [MS]
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Re: Well Andy you asked for it, so here it comes: RAM EWF Related
Posted: 09-08-2003, 05:44 PM
Sorry to jump into this conversation but could I get more information
on this? What is the difference between what you are describing
and EWF RAM REG, which is a Ram based ewf that does not
need an EWF overlay partition?

-Bill
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"Slobodan Brcin" <sbrcin@ptt.yu> wrote in message
news:OVjOwsTdDHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I think that it is possible to implement RAM based EWF so that during FBA
> EWF doesn't need partition.
> Correct me if I'm wrong but let us consider following two scenarios:
>
> First:
>
> XPE passes all FBA phases without EWF installed. In last FBA step EWF get
> installed and working from next restart.
>
> Second:
> EWF is installed like currently implemented. But instead of creating EWF
> partition, every info you need could be stored in registry, or in some
file
> on XPE disk.
> And EWF could be committed during all FBA restarts, so information's you
> need could be preserved.
>
>
> I don't know what info you need to save but previous scenario probably can
> be done with very little modification to EWF.
> I guessing that need for partition support during FBA is inherited from
disk
> based overlay support, so only thing you should do is to separate those
two
> cases
>
> This would ease use of EWF during development and would avoid all problems
> with strange cases when EWF wont install.
>
>
> Hope that this feedback is useful,
>
> Slobodan
>
>

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Slobodan Brcin
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Re: Well Andy you asked for it, so here it comes: RAM EWF Related
Posted: 09-08-2003, 06:27 PM
> Sorry to jump into this conversation but could I get more information
> on this?
No need to be sorry.

General idea behind this is to make RAM EWF able to install without creating
EWF volume.
> What is the difference between what you are describing
> and EWF RAM REG, which is a Ram based ewf that does not
> need an EWF overlay partition?
Good question.
What is EWF RAM REG? It sounds nice. I guess that it uses registry instead
of EWF volume for configuration.

Where can I find more info on this EWF version?
I'm using QFE Q823025 is there something newer?

If such feature exists, then many people don't know that, and I am one of
them.


Best regards,
Slobodan


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