What New Hell Is This?!?

I'm a system builder and am NOT looking forward to shipping systems with
Vista pre-installed once released. I know I have to, but I'm dreading all
the inevitable support calls regarding how to interact with the new OS, UAC,
installing older programs, adding peripherals, etc, etc, etc.

I have quite a few tech-savvy customers who can figure it out, but the
casual user will have to endure a very steep learning curve.
--
Russell
http://tastycomputers.com

"JewelsH" <JewelsH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:52C4964C-3070-48B0-A70F-8126ACE01068@microsoft.com...

> Hey,, I'm perfectly willing to learn about Vista. That's why I downloaded
> and installed it and why I'm searching every Vista forum that I can find.
>
> The average user doesn't have a clue how to do anything but click on an
> icon
> that they've had set up for them by someone else. And you can try to show
> them how to do things and point them in the direction to look for info but
> they don't follow through. Then they call and say that they have a
> problem.
>
> I'm even amazed at some of the people who post to these forums who have dl
> and installed Vista. They don't have a clue of what they are getting
> into.
>
> "Donald L McDaniel" wrote:
>

Haven't had any experience with importing to Vista. My XP system had started
to hang. I'm pretty sure it was malware that I unknowingly installed while
looking for an iso writer that would work with Vista. The file that I
downloaded was not what it was labeled.

I took an extra drive and installed 5536 on it and hooked my Xp drive up and
pulled all data files to an external drive. Now I can't find them on the
external drive at all to restore them to my data. Haven't a clue what
happened to them. I did the copy via right-click on My docs, copy, over to
external drive, paste and watched them go over. Gone.

I guess that is off topic but something that has me a little baffled. Not
sure if it is related to something with Vista. Guess I should have just
installed XP on that extra drive to try to save my data.


"Robert Moir" wrote:

>
> "JewelsH" <JewelsH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6EB8ABA3-45D0-4482-B76B-B1F8EFC21725@microsoft.com...

>
> It isn't normally. I've done a clean install of Windows Vista and restored
> my outlook PST file data without any of this trouble at all. Worked just as
> well as it has done in other versions of Office and Windows.
>
> --
> --
> Robert Moir
> Microsoft MVP
> www.robertmoir.com
>
>

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:01:02 -0700, JewelsH
<JewelsH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Haven't had any experience with importing to Vista. My XP system had started
>to hang. I'm pretty sure it was malware that I unknowingly installed while
>looking for an iso writer that would work with Vista. The file that I
>downloaded was not what it was labeled.
>
>I took an extra drive and installed 5536 on it and hooked my Xp drive up and
>pulled all data files to an external drive. Now I can't find them on the
>external drive at all to restore them to my data. Haven't a clue what
>happened to them. I did the copy via right-click on My docs, copy, over to
>external drive, paste and watched them go over. Gone.
>
>I guess that is off topic but something that has me a little baffled. Not
>sure if it is related to something with Vista. Guess I should have just
>installed XP on that extra drive to try to save my data.

NEVER install a Beta copy of Windows (or any program) on an EVERY-DAY
machine UNLESS you are willing to lose your data. Microsoft warns
against this prominently on their website.

Hopefully, you were prudent, and had your data backed up on an
external device or on CDs/DVDs.

NOTE: You CANNOT import a .PST file *directly* into ANY version of
Outlook from a CD or DVD drive or disk. It must FIRST be copied to
the system disk, then imported from THERE into Outlook.

==

Donald
===================================

Well that's the problem. I didn't have the drive withed the data that I was
trying to save attached to the system. I hooked it up after the Vista
install to get the data files over to an external drive. It looked like it
did that but now can't find a lot of the files or folders that I had
transferred. I didn't realize that Vista would do something different to the
files and folders that I copied to an external drive than what XP would have.

After I copied all my data, I wiped the drive because I could not repair the
XP os. It was stuck in what the log called a hardware error loop. I
reformatted the drive and installed XP. Then I installed Vista on another
partition as a dual-boot. Guess I made a big mistake because I can't find
the really important stuff on that external drive anymore whether I boot to
XP or Vista.

I think I should have installed XP on that extra drive instead of Vista to
try to save my data.

"Donald L McDaniel" wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:01:02 -0700, JewelsH
> <JewelsH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>

>
> NEVER install a Beta copy of Windows (or any program) on an EVERY-DAY
> machine UNLESS you are willing to lose your data. Microsoft warns
> against this prominently on their website.
>
> Hopefully, you were prudent, and had your data backed up on an
> external device or on CDs/DVDs.
>
> NOTE: You CANNOT import a .PST file *directly* into ANY version of
> Outlook from a CD or DVD drive or disk. It must FIRST be copied to
> the system disk, then imported from THERE into Outlook.
>
> ==
>
> Donald
> ===================================
>

I am a self admitted retard that is running Vista RC1 on his primary computer
at home. I am willing to take the risk of losing my data, a seperate larger
hard drive helps keep the loss to a bare minimum. On my first Drive I got a
160 gig thing broken up into three parts, one for 30 Gigs for XP
Professional, 50 gigs for Vista and the rest was where I would keep the my
documents folders and whatnot
Only data related disaster was when I was actually in my XP Professional
Side of of my drive when I was in Disk Management and I accidently deleted
both drives D and E, and it wasnt until I got to C that I was unable to
delete anything more, I had an external 160 Gig that I was going to blow out.
I laughed, smacked myself in the head, and recovered what I needed.


My cobra went crazy because I play the wrong tune and it hit me in the eye
with it''s teeth.

P4-530 3.0 Ghz
1GB RAM
Toshiba 160G SATA
Western Digital 250G SATA
Nvidia GeForce 6600GT
ASUS P5 P-800
ATI TV-Wonder Elite
Motorola L7 SLVR


"JewelsH" wrote:

> Well that's the problem. I didn't have the drive withed the data that I was
> trying to save attached to the system. I hooked it up after the Vista
> install to get the data files over to an external drive. It looked like it
> did that but now can't find a lot of the files or folders that I had
> transferred. I didn't realize that Vista would do something different to the
> files and folders that I copied to an external drive than what XP would have.
>
> After I copied all my data, I wiped the drive because I could not repair the
> XP os. It was stuck in what the log called a hardware error loop. I
> reformatted the drive and installed XP. Then I installed Vista on another
> partition as a dual-boot. Guess I made a big mistake because I can't find
> the really important stuff on that external drive anymore whether I boot to
> XP or Vista.
>
> I think I should have installed XP on that extra drive instead of Vista to
> try to save my data.
>
> "Donald L McDaniel" wrote:
>

Hmmm thanks for sharing Dr. Gonzo
Muppets fan?
"Dr. Gonzo" <DrGonzo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A3051722-4B2B-46F3-B91C-6CD334D31DA5@microsoft.com...

>I am a self admitted retard that is running Vista RC1 on his primary
>computer
> at home. I am willing to take the risk of losing my data, a seperate
> larger
> hard drive helps keep the loss to a bare minimum. On my first Drive I got
> a
> 160 gig thing broken up into three parts, one for 30 Gigs for XP
> Professional, 50 gigs for Vista and the rest was where I would keep the my
> documents folders and whatnot
> Only data related disaster was when I was actually in my XP Professional
> Side of of my drive when I was in Disk Management and I accidently deleted
> both drives D and E, and it wasnt until I got to C that I was unable to
> delete anything more, I had an external 160 Gig that I was going to blow
> out.
> I laughed, smacked myself in the head, and recovered what I needed.
>
>
> My cobra went crazy because I play the wrong tune and it hit me in the eye
> with it''s teeth.
>
> P4-530 3.0 Ghz
> 1GB RAM
> Toshiba 160G SATA
> Western Digital 250G SATA
> Nvidia GeForce 6600GT
> ASUS P5 P-800
> ATI TV-Wonder Elite
> Motorola L7 SLVR
>
>
> "JewelsH" wrote:
>

Ever see Fear and Lothing in Las Vegas?

--
My cobra went crazy because I play the wrong tune and it hit me in the eye
with it''s teeth.

P4-530 3.0 Ghz
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce 6600GT
ASUS P5 P-800
ATI TV-Wonder Elite
Motorola L7 SLVR


"Techno-Crat" wrote:

> Hmmm thanks for sharing Dr. Gonzo
> Muppets fan?
> "Dr. Gonzo" <DrGonzo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A3051722-4B2B-46F3-B91C-6CD334D31DA5@microsoft.com...

>

Hello,

> Just installed RC1. I'm the only user on the entire system. Clean
> install.
> I tried to import the Outlook pst file from the last (beta) release, oh,
> you
> know, as instructed when backing up the pst file. I get the error that I
> apparently don't have access to this file.

If you are trying to access this file and it is located in another partition
that was created by another version of windows, you will not have read
access to this file by default. This is because Windows only allows access
to files inside a user profile directory to that specific user or
administrators.

Remember, in Windows Vista, the programs you run do not have "administrator"
level access to your computer unless you specifically allow them (by
right-clicking the program and clicking run-as-administrator) or they ask
you for it.

So, if you try to access a security-restricted file, such as a user profile
directory that is not yours (including user profile directories from other
windows installations, including windows xp installations), you will be
denied access.

There are 2 solutions:

- Run Outlook "as administrator" and then do the import, so it has
"administrator" level access to the system

- Change the security on the folder to allow you read access to it. Windows
Explorer should do this for you automatically if you simply browse to the
location.

> What new pseudo-Nazi Republican B.S. is this? I'm sorry, I'm at my wit's
> end -- each subsequent release of this OS locks down "privliges" more and
> more. I literally am not allowed to import my own email from my own
> account
> on my own computer when I am the only one logged in. How the frell does
> this
> make sense?

Actually, this type of security has been present since Windows NT 4.0 and
2000; however, running all programs as administrators effectively negates
this security. In the Windows Vista world, you have to specifically allow
individual programs to have this level of control over your computer.

It's not that YOU (as an administrator) are not allowed to do this task, it
is that the SPECIFIC PROGRAM is not allowed because it does not have your
permission to have administrator power - you have the ability to give it
permission by either right-clicking it and running it as administrator or
changing the security permissions on the object it is trying to access.


--
- JB

Windows Vista Support Faq
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/