Re: Where can I download Vista Beta 2?

Bitorrent
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"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "ahoy mate!" <ahoy@mate.con> wrote in message
> news:dua3q9$9k2$1@emma.aioe.org...

>> Peter Foldes wrote:

>>> At the present time you would need to be a bonafide Beta tester or have
>>> a subscription to MSDN and or Tech Net.
>>>
>>> It is not available to the public at present
>>>

>>
>> Bitorrent.

>
>
>
> And you would get the key from.........???
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5308)
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>

Can you give a suggestion that does not have several major problems such as
possible tampered software. This is sometimes the case when stolen software
is distributed from illegitimate sources as you suggest. Or do you
personally guarantee the source?

Microsoft is the ONLY legitimate source.

In the future it would be best to keep such posts to a forum that deals in
piracy and other unethical distributions, this is not the place.

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"ahoy mate!" <ahoy@mate.con> wrote in message
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> Bitorrent.

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:56:58 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Can you give a suggestion that does not have several major problems such as
> possible tampered software. This is sometimes the case when stolen software
> is distributed from illegitimate sources as you suggest. Or do you
> personally guarantee the source?
>
> Microsoft is the ONLY legitimate source.
>
> In the future it would be best to keep such posts to a forum that deals in
> piracy and other unethical distributions, this is not the place.

I have a key, but a problem with installing build 5112 (I've posted here
before) since the Vista install would not accept my key. After being
accused of trying to install pirated software, I do have the info on the
membership the school I am going to has which is the MSDN Academic Alliance
(I have found my school listed there on the Microsoft website) and my
instructor explained to me that he gets the software with a certain number
of keys, which he is able to give out to his students until they are all
given out. Before this particular class ended my instructor conceeded that
perhaps the key he gave my classmates and I was for a newer build than 5112
and that might be why the keys wouldn't work. When I asked about getting
the newer build, he just told me to go to the Microsoft website and
download it, which, of course, I am not able to do.

Needless to say, I am not happy with this instructor. I may issue a
complaint with the school, but all that aside, and because of all these
difficulties, I won't be bothering with Vista at all and just stick with
learning all the other OSes out there. When Vista is finally released, I
guess I'll just get a book and learn it then.

Patty

Patty;
There were some issues with computers and memory.
Even though they had sufficient memory, Vista still would not install.
Try adding more memory if you have less than 512 MB.

The point of my other post was that getting Vista or any other software from
a file sharing source is risky at best and not authorized at least for
Microsoft software.
That does not seem to apply in your case.
You should complain to the school and have them make it right or determine
if the instructor was distributing illegitimate software.

At some point there probably will be public access to Vista so you can get
it then.
Do not let possible incompetence of the instructor keep you away from Vista
or anything else.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Patty" <patty1515NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:56:58 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>

>> Can you give a suggestion that does not have several major problems such
>> as
>> possible tampered software. This is sometimes the case when stolen
>> software
>> is distributed from illegitimate sources as you suggest. Or do you
>> personally guarantee the source?
>>
>> Microsoft is the ONLY legitimate source.
>>
>> In the future it would be best to keep such posts to a forum that deals
>> in
>> piracy and other unethical distributions, this is not the place.

>
> I have a key, but a problem with installing build 5112 (I've posted here
> before) since the Vista install would not accept my key. After being
> accused of trying to install pirated software, I do have the info on the
> membership the school I am going to has which is the MSDN Academic
> Alliance
> (I have found my school listed there on the Microsoft website) and my
> instructor explained to me that he gets the software with a certain number
> of keys, which he is able to give out to his students until they are all
> given out. Before this particular class ended my instructor conceeded
> that
> perhaps the key he gave my classmates and I was for a newer build than
> 5112
> and that might be why the keys wouldn't work. When I asked about getting
> the newer build, he just told me to go to the Microsoft website and
> download it, which, of course, I am not able to do.
>
> Needless to say, I am not happy with this instructor. I may issue a
> complaint with the school, but all that aside, and because of all these
> difficulties, I won't be bothering with Vista at all and just stick with
> learning all the other OSes out there. When Vista is finally released, I
> guess I'll just get a book and learn it then.
>
> Patty

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:58:38 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Patty;
> There were some issues with computers and memory.
> Even though they had sufficient memory, Vista still would not install.
> Try adding more memory if you have less than 512 MB.

I do have a system just sitting around not being used at this time, but it
doesn't have a DVD drive in it, it does have 512 MB RAM but the other
hardware could be iffy for Vista also. I was trying to install it on my
main system, but by using it in Virtual PC, which is how my instructor
installed it for classroom use. I have 1GB RAM on the host system and was
using 700MB RAM for the virtual system which is the instructions given to
me by my teacher. At first I thought it was only me that was having
problems, and the instructor said that "no one else has had trouble
installing it except you," but I found that others in my class got the same
error message I did, "Setup cannot validate your product key. Please
review your product key and ensure that it has been entered correctly." I
also know from reading the Virtual PC NG that others have sucessfully
installed Vista that way. Anyhow, Benny (from this NG) suggested I try
installing it on my main system in a separate partition as a dual boot, but
right now, I'm just so jaded on the whole thing, I fear that if I try to do
that, I'll just blow my whole system and have to start all over again
setting it all up and reinstalling everything. Between school and work, I
just don't have that much available time. So, I'm just sitting tight.
Perhaps somewhere I'll find a copy of version 5270 (which I think is the
one that followed 5112) and try to install it using my key. Whatever, I've
spent so much time on this now, I am just tired of the whole thing.

> The point of my other post was that getting Vista or any other software from
> a file sharing source is risky at best and not authorized at least for
> Microsoft software.

I've always avoided getting any executable software from file sharing. You
just don't know what you're getting and even though anti-virus software is
good, they still miss things. What a way to put yourself in a mess just
trying to get something free. I admit, in the past, to downloading a song
or two, but I even got away from that, since, IMO, the quality just isn't
there. Maybe some folks don't mind the quality of what they're listening
to, but I guess I'm more of a purist. Even when I built my new system, I
was encouraged by some people I know to use a version of XP that had a
corporate key that was passed around, but, instead I purchased an OEM
version from the hardware vendor that I bought my motherboard and other
components from. While I wanted to save money, I also wanted to do it
right.

> That does not seem to apply in your case.
> You should complain to the school and have them make it right or determine
> if the instructor was distributing illegitimate software.

I sincerely believe that the software the instructor was distributing was
completely legitimate. I think that it's more of a case of the version and
key not matching. Would a newer key work with an older version of Vista
Beta? I'm not really sure, but that seems more likely to me. He would
have a lot to lose if he were giving away illegimate software to his
students and, while I don't think he's the greatest teacher, I really
believe that he would not risk his job by doing that.

> At some point there probably will be public access to Vista so you can get
> it then.
> Do not let possible incompetence of the instructor keep you away from Vista
> or anything else.

Yeah, eventually I'll try Vista. But more than likely not until it's
released to the public and I have the funds to pay for it.

Thanks for all your comments and help. I was very upset when I was accused
of trying to pirate Vista and get a key from someone here. I have a key.
It should work. I just don't know why it doesn't (and no one else seems to
know either.)

And, now I'm going to just leave it be.

Patty

Patty;
One point that I have not seen mentioned here.
I suggest you NOT install Vista on your main system even if on a separate
partition.
There is always a slight possibility of problems and if you can not afford a
Clean Installation and loss of data, any Beta is not for you.
Right now I have Vista in a swappable drawer on a spare computer and it will
go no further until I have more confidence in it.

The product keys for Vista are somewhat specific in that a key will only
work for a narrow range of builds.

If you have or can borrow a spare hard drive even fore a day, you can swap
that drive and see if Vista will install on your main computer.
That way you may possibly verify your key.
When you are done, you can swap back the drives and be right where you are
right now.
That also prevents any possibility of data corruption of your current data
by installing the Beta.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Patty" <patty1515NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sjrlktrhnlkp$.e46wqwpa08z4.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:58:38 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>

>> Patty;
>> There were some issues with computers and memory.
>> Even though they had sufficient memory, Vista still would not install.
>> Try adding more memory if you have less than 512 MB.

>
> I do have a system just sitting around not being used at this time, but it
> doesn't have a DVD drive in it, it does have 512 MB RAM but the other
> hardware could be iffy for Vista also. I was trying to install it on my
> main system, but by using it in Virtual PC, which is how my instructor
> installed it for classroom use. I have 1GB RAM on the host system and was
> using 700MB RAM for the virtual system which is the instructions given to
> me by my teacher. At first I thought it was only me that was having
> problems, and the instructor said that "no one else has had trouble
> installing it except you," but I found that others in my class got the
> same
> error message I did, "Setup cannot validate your product key. Please
> review your product key and ensure that it has been entered correctly." I
> also know from reading the Virtual PC NG that others have sucessfully
> installed Vista that way. Anyhow, Benny (from this NG) suggested I try
> installing it on my main system in a separate partition as a dual boot,
> but
> right now, I'm just so jaded on the whole thing, I fear that if I try to
> do
> that, I'll just blow my whole system and have to start all over again
> setting it all up and reinstalling everything. Between school and work, I
> just don't have that much available time. So, I'm just sitting tight.
> Perhaps somewhere I'll find a copy of version 5270 (which I think is the
> one that followed 5112) and try to install it using my key. Whatever,
> I've
> spent so much time on this now, I am just tired of the whole thing.
>

>> The point of my other post was that getting Vista or any other software
>> from
>> a file sharing source is risky at best and not authorized at least for
>> Microsoft software.

>
> I've always avoided getting any executable software from file sharing.
> You
> just don't know what you're getting and even though anti-virus software is
> good, they still miss things. What a way to put yourself in a mess just
> trying to get something free. I admit, in the past, to downloading a song
> or two, but I even got away from that, since, IMO, the quality just isn't
> there. Maybe some folks don't mind the quality of what they're listening
> to, but I guess I'm more of a purist. Even when I built my new system, I
> was encouraged by some people I know to use a version of XP that had a
> corporate key that was passed around, but, instead I purchased an OEM
> version from the hardware vendor that I bought my motherboard and other
> components from. While I wanted to save money, I also wanted to do it
> right.
>

>> That does not seem to apply in your case.
>> You should complain to the school and have them make it right or
>> determine
>> if the instructor was distributing illegitimate software.

>
> I sincerely believe that the software the instructor was distributing was
> completely legitimate. I think that it's more of a case of the version
> and
> key not matching. Would a newer key work with an older version of Vista
> Beta? I'm not really sure, but that seems more likely to me. He would
> have a lot to lose if he were giving away illegimate software to his
> students and, while I don't think he's the greatest teacher, I really
> believe that he would not risk his job by doing that.
>

>> At some point there probably will be public access to Vista so you can
>> get
>> it then.
>> Do not let possible incompetence of the instructor keep you away from
>> Vista
>> or anything else.

>
> Yeah, eventually I'll try Vista. But more than likely not until it's
> released to the public and I have the funds to pay for it.
>
> Thanks for all your comments and help. I was very upset when I was
> accused
> of trying to pirate Vista and get a key from someone here. I have a key.
> It should work. I just don't know why it doesn't (and no one else seems
> to
> know either.)
>
> And, now I'm going to just leave it be.
>
> Patty

Very good point - Vista is still quite unstable, even 5308 hasn't been
certified as beta quality. I recommend (as well as Jupiter does) on a
seperate computer altogether. You can install it on Virtual PC, however that
can hold back some qualities such as Glass, but if you really must install
it on a virtual machine, try Microsoft Virtual Server 2005 R2 - that works a
treat )

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rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!


--- Original message follows ---
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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> Patty;
> One point that I have not seen mentioned here.
> I suggest you NOT install Vista on your main system even if on a separate
> partition.
> There is always a slight possibility of problems and if you can not afford
> a Clean Installation and loss of data, any Beta is not for you.
> Right now I have Vista in a swappable drawer on a spare computer and it
> will go no further until I have more confidence in it.
>
> The product keys for Vista are somewhat specific in that a key will only
> work for a narrow range of builds.
>
> If you have or can borrow a spare hard drive even fore a day, you can swap
> that drive and see if Vista will install on your main computer.
> That way you may possibly verify your key.
> When you are done, you can swap back the drives and be right where you are
> right now.
> That also prevents any possibility of data corruption of your current data
> by installing the Beta.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Patty" <patty1515NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sjrlktrhnlkp$.e46wqwpa08z4.dlg@40tude.net...

>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:58:38 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>

>>> Patty;
>>> There were some issues with computers and memory.
>>> Even though they had sufficient memory, Vista still would not install.
>>> Try adding more memory if you have less than 512 MB.

>>
>> I do have a system just sitting around not being used at this time, but
>> it
>> doesn't have a DVD drive in it, it does have 512 MB RAM but the other
>> hardware could be iffy for Vista also. I was trying to install it on my
>> main system, but by using it in Virtual PC, which is how my instructor
>> installed it for classroom use. I have 1GB RAM on the host system and
>> was
>> using 700MB RAM for the virtual system which is the instructions given to
>> me by my teacher. At first I thought it was only me that was having
>> problems, and the instructor said that "no one else has had trouble
>> installing it except you," but I found that others in my class got the
>> same
>> error message I did, "Setup cannot validate your product key. Please
>> review your product key and ensure that it has been entered correctly."
>> I
>> also know from reading the Virtual PC NG that others have sucessfully
>> installed Vista that way. Anyhow, Benny (from this NG) suggested I try
>> installing it on my main system in a separate partition as a dual boot,
>> but
>> right now, I'm just so jaded on the whole thing, I fear that if I try to
>> do
>> that, I'll just blow my whole system and have to start all over again
>> setting it all up and reinstalling everything. Between school and work,
>> I
>> just don't have that much available time. So, I'm just sitting tight.
>> Perhaps somewhere I'll find a copy of version 5270 (which I think is the
>> one that followed 5112) and try to install it using my key. Whatever,
>> I've
>> spent so much time on this now, I am just tired of the whole thing.
>>

>>> The point of my other post was that getting Vista or any other software
>>> from
>>> a file sharing source is risky at best and not authorized at least for
>>> Microsoft software.

>>
>> I've always avoided getting any executable software from file sharing.
>> You
>> just don't know what you're getting and even though anti-virus software
>> is
>> good, they still miss things. What a way to put yourself in a mess just
>> trying to get something free. I admit, in the past, to downloading a
>> song
>> or two, but I even got away from that, since, IMO, the quality just isn't
>> there. Maybe some folks don't mind the quality of what they're listening
>> to, but I guess I'm more of a purist. Even when I built my new system, I
>> was encouraged by some people I know to use a version of XP that had a
>> corporate key that was passed around, but, instead I purchased an OEM
>> version from the hardware vendor that I bought my motherboard and other
>> components from. While I wanted to save money, I also wanted to do it
>> right.
>>

>>> That does not seem to apply in your case.
>>> You should complain to the school and have them make it right or
>>> determine
>>> if the instructor was distributing illegitimate software.

>>
>> I sincerely believe that the software the instructor was distributing was
>> completely legitimate. I think that it's more of a case of the version
>> and
>> key not matching. Would a newer key work with an older version of Vista
>> Beta? I'm not really sure, but that seems more likely to me. He would
>> have a lot to lose if he were giving away illegimate software to his
>> students and, while I don't think he's the greatest teacher, I really
>> believe that he would not risk his job by doing that.
>>

>>> At some point there probably will be public access to Vista so you can
>>> get
>>> it then.
>>> Do not let possible incompetence of the instructor keep you away from
>>> Vista
>>> or anything else.

>>
>> Yeah, eventually I'll try Vista. But more than likely not until it's
>> released to the public and I have the funds to pay for it.
>>
>> Thanks for all your comments and help. I was very upset when I was
>> accused
>> of trying to pirate Vista and get a key from someone here. I have a key.
>> It should work. I just don't know why it doesn't (and no one else seems
>> to
>> know either.)
>>
>> And, now I'm going to just leave it be.
>>
>> Patty

>
>

Note though: Create a new VHD, partition and format it before you try to
install Vista on to it Virtual Server 2005 R2
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OF2HvXLQGHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

> Very good point - Vista is still quite unstable, even 5308 hasn't been
> certified as beta quality. I recommend (as well as Jupiter does) on a
> seperate computer altogether. You can install it on Virtual PC, however
> that can hold back some qualities such as Glass, but if you really must
> install it on a virtual machine, try Microsoft Virtual Server 2005 R2 -
> that works a treat )
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
> » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net
> » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum
> » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase
> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
> not
> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>
>
> --- Original message follows ---
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23m6PiLLQGHA.5924@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>> Patty;
>> One point that I have not seen mentioned here.
>> I suggest you NOT install Vista on your main system even if on a separate
>> partition.
>> There is always a slight possibility of problems and if you can not
>> afford a Clean Installation and loss of data, any Beta is not for you.
>> Right now I have Vista in a swappable drawer on a spare computer and it
>> will go no further until I have more confidence in it.
>>
>> The product keys for Vista are somewhat specific in that a key will only
>> work for a narrow range of builds.
>>
>> If you have or can borrow a spare hard drive even fore a day, you can
>> swap that drive and see if Vista will install on your main computer.
>> That way you may possibly verify your key.
>> When you are done, you can swap back the drives and be right where you
>> are right now.
>> That also prevents any possibility of data corruption of your current
>> data by installing the Beta.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Patty" <patty1515NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:sjrlktrhnlkp$.e46wqwpa08z4.dlg@40tude.net...

>>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:58:38 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patty;
>>>> There were some issues with computers and memory.
>>>> Even though they had sufficient memory, Vista still would not install.
>>>> Try adding more memory if you have less than 512 MB.
>>>
>>> I do have a system just sitting around not being used at this time, but
>>> it
>>> doesn't have a DVD drive in it, it does have 512 MB RAM but the other
>>> hardware could be iffy for Vista also. I was trying to install it on my
>>> main system, but by using it in Virtual PC, which is how my instructor
>>> installed it for classroom use. I have 1GB RAM on the host system and
>>> was
>>> using 700MB RAM for the virtual system which is the instructions given
>>> to
>>> me by my teacher. At first I thought it was only me that was having
>>> problems, and the instructor said that "no one else has had trouble
>>> installing it except you," but I found that others in my class got the
>>> same
>>> error message I did, "Setup cannot validate your product key. Please
>>> review your product key and ensure that it has been entered correctly."
>>> I
>>> also know from reading the Virtual PC NG that others have sucessfully
>>> installed Vista that way. Anyhow, Benny (from this NG) suggested I try
>>> installing it on my main system in a separate partition as a dual boot,
>>> but
>>> right now, I'm just so jaded on the whole thing, I fear that if I try to
>>> do
>>> that, I'll just blow my whole system and have to start all over again
>>> setting it all up and reinstalling everything. Between school and work,
>>> I
>>> just don't have that much available time. So, I'm just sitting tight.
>>> Perhaps somewhere I'll find a copy of version 5270 (which I think is the
>>> one that followed 5112) and try to install it using my key. Whatever,
>>> I've
>>> spent so much time on this now, I am just tired of the whole thing.
>>>
>>>> The point of my other post was that getting Vista or any other software
>>>> from
>>>> a file sharing source is risky at best and not authorized at least for
>>>> Microsoft software.
>>>
>>> I've always avoided getting any executable software from file sharing.
>>> You
>>> just don't know what you're getting and even though anti-virus software
>>> is
>>> good, they still miss things. What a way to put yourself in a mess just
>>> trying to get something free. I admit, in the past, to downloading a
>>> song
>>> or two, but I even got away from that, since, IMO, the quality just
>>> isn't
>>> there. Maybe some folks don't mind the quality of what they're
>>> listening
>>> to, but I guess I'm more of a purist. Even when I built my new system,
>>> I
>>> was encouraged by some people I know to use a version of XP that had a
>>> corporate key that was passed around, but, instead I purchased an OEM
>>> version from the hardware vendor that I bought my motherboard and other
>>> components from. While I wanted to save money, I also wanted to do it
>>> right.
>>>
>>>> That does not seem to apply in your case.
>>>> You should complain to the school and have them make it right or
>>>> determine
>>>> if the instructor was distributing illegitimate software.
>>>
>>> I sincerely believe that the software the instructor was distributing
>>> was
>>> completely legitimate. I think that it's more of a case of the version
>>> and
>>> key not matching. Would a newer key work with an older version of Vista
>>> Beta? I'm not really sure, but that seems more likely to me. He would
>>> have a lot to lose if he were giving away illegimate software to his
>>> students and, while I don't think he's the greatest teacher, I really
>>> believe that he would not risk his job by doing that.
>>>
>>>> At some point there probably will be public access to Vista so you can
>>>> get
>>>> it then.
>>>> Do not let possible incompetence of the instructor keep you away from
>>>> Vista
>>>> or anything else.
>>>
>>> Yeah, eventually I'll try Vista. But more than likely not until it's
>>> released to the public and I have the funds to pay for it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all your comments and help. I was very upset when I was
>>> accused
>>> of trying to pirate Vista and get a key from someone here. I have a
>>> key.
>>> It should work. I just don't know why it doesn't (and no one else seems
>>> to
>>> know either.)
>>>
>>> And, now I'm going to just leave it be.
>>>
>>> Patty

>>
>>

>
>