Where Linux Beats Vista : CPU Temperatures - ACPI Thermal Zones

It's a brand new Asus M2N32-SLI-Deluxe motherboard.

Odd, Linux has thermal zoning. And it works.

http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Thermal_Zone
Says "Supported Devices: AMD nforce2 based motherboards"

Which I presume is what I have.

-Rob

"Bill Frisbee" <wfrisbee@comcastx.net> wrote in message
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> Thermal zoning is not part of the OS, its an add-on typically from your
> motherboard manufacturer.
>
> TYPICALLY your motherboard does its own, if limited thermal monitoring.
>
> What CPU and motherboard are you running with?
>
> The AVERAGE cpu should run 40C to MAYBE 60C on full load. Me thinks you
> may have something wrong with your motherboard or CPU fan.
>
>
> Bill F.
>
>
> "Robert wilkens" <RobWilkens@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C5BFBE15-6A7A-46EA-81F7-91B03D15EAA7@microsoft.com...

>> Windows Vista has my CPU running as high as 84 degrees celsius during
>> normal operation (65 degrees is the 'alarm' temperature). I imagine it
>> gets even higher because when I do things like install MS Office 2007 it
>> gets to the point where the system just powers off instantly.
>>
>> I decided to try comparing it to Linux, and boy was I surprised, I have a
>> feature in the Linux Kernel turned on call "ACPI Thermal Zones" which is
>> keeping my CPU at a constant opreating temperature of 40 degrees in
>> Linux, if I'm reading it right.
>>
>> 40 degrees versus 84 degrees.
>> operating normally versus overheating and dying.
>>
>> That's the difference between Linux and Vista.
>>
>> Incidentally, if I turn off thermal zones in the linux kernel, I have the
>> same instant 'power off' problems in Linux. I'm glad Linux offers
>> thermal zones support. I'm sorry to say it appears microsoft does not
>> support this (unless I'm "missing a driver" though for something this
>> critical that would seem hard to believe).
>>
>> -Rob

>

By the way the switch to "robw" from "Robert wilkens" was because I switched
OFF my AMD64 system and switched on my Pentium 4 (both running Vista)
because when I read more I realized I didn't really want to be running Vista
on my AMD64 system right now.

-rob

"robw" <robwilkens@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's a brand new Asus M2N32-SLI-Deluxe motherboard.
>
> Odd, Linux has thermal zoning. And it works.
>
> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Thermal_Zone
> Says "Supported Devices: AMD nforce2 based motherboards"
>
> Which I presume is what I have.
>
> -Rob
>
> "Bill Frisbee" <wfrisbee@comcastx.net> wrote in message
> news:eduxCJ1FHHA.960@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Thermal zoning is not part of the OS, its an add-on typically from your
>> motherboard manufacturer.
>>
>> TYPICALLY your motherboard does its own, if limited thermal monitoring.
>>
>> What CPU and motherboard are you running with?
>>
>> The AVERAGE cpu should run 40C to MAYBE 60C on full load. Me thinks you
>> may have something wrong with your motherboard or CPU fan.
>>
>>
>> Bill F.
>>
>>
>> "Robert wilkens" <RobWilkens@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:C5BFBE15-6A7A-46EA-81F7-91B03D15EAA7@microsoft.com...

>>> Windows Vista has my CPU running as high as 84 degrees celsius during
>>> normal operation (65 degrees is the 'alarm' temperature). I imagine it
>>> gets even higher because when I do things like install MS Office 2007 it
>>> gets to the point where the system just powers off instantly.
>>>
>>> I decided to try comparing it to Linux, and boy was I surprised, I have
>>> a feature in the Linux Kernel turned on call "ACPI Thermal Zones" which
>>> is keeping my CPU at a constant opreating temperature of 40 degrees in
>>> Linux, if I'm reading it right.
>>>
>>> 40 degrees versus 84 degrees.
>>> operating normally versus overheating and dying.
>>>
>>> That's the difference between Linux and Vista.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, if I turn off thermal zones in the linux kernel, I have
>>> the same instant 'power off' problems in Linux. I'm glad Linux offers
>>> thermal zones support. I'm sorry to say it appears microsoft does not
>>> support this (unless I'm "missing a driver" though for something this
>>> critical that would seem hard to believe).
>>>
>>> -Rob

>>

>

It's highly likely that you've either got the heat sink installed
improperly, the heat sink fan isn't working properly, or you have some other
hardware problem.

My bet is on the heat sink, as it could be making minimal contact with the
processor surface through improper mounting. It was tough getting the heat
sink latched down all the way on my M2N-E.

With everything properly setup and working, hardware-wise, your system
should not be overheating, no matter what the OS does.

Regards,
Matt K


"robw" <robwilkens@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's a brand new Asus M2N32-SLI-Deluxe motherboard.
>
> Odd, Linux has thermal zoning. And it works.
>
> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Thermal_Zone
> Says "Supported Devices: AMD nforce2 based motherboards"
>
> Which I presume is what I have.
>
> -Rob

The fan is working (i've got a transparent case, plus all my other sensors
for fan speed are reading properly (3 fans in the range of 1,000+ to 3,000+
rpm, and I don't meant redhat-package-manager.)

-Rob

"electragician" <electragician@dropthispartgmail.com> wrote in message
news:u5l6eW1FHHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> It's highly likely that you've either got the heat sink installed
> improperly, the heat sink fan isn't working properly, or you have some
> other hardware problem.
>
> My bet is on the heat sink, as it could be making minimal contact with the
> processor surface through improper mounting. It was tough getting the heat
> sink latched down all the way on my M2N-E.
>
> With everything properly setup and working, hardware-wise, your system
> should not be overheating, no matter what the OS does.
>
> Regards,
> Matt K
>
>
> "robw" <robwilkens@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O0RggN1FHHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> It's a brand new Asus M2N32-SLI-Deluxe motherboard.
>>
>> Odd, Linux has thermal zoning. And it works.
>>
>> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Thermal_Zone
>> Says "Supported Devices: AMD nforce2 based motherboards"
>>
>> Which I presume is what I have.
>>
>> -Rob

>

It is odd that Linux runs cool and Vista doesn't.

For the record, my M2N-E board is fairly similar to yours, and Vista works
fine with it. I am running the latest bios, but I haven't loaded any
additional drivers, other than video. Vista does work natively with the
board and the Athlon 64 X2 processor to throttle the CPU to half-speed when
not under a load. I do have the feature enabled in the bios (ASUS Cool and
Quiet), but again, I have loaded no additional drivers.

I installed the ASUS system monitor utility a few minutes ago, and I placed
the system under a load (as much as I could at the time) to see what the
temps would get to after a few minutes. The picture in the link below shows
that Divx video and a session of GuildWars isn't enough to stress a dual
core processor, but it's still not at idle.

Even with the CPU throttling feature disabled the machine is still stable
when under a heavy load in Vista, as I have turned the feature off in the
past to see if it garnered any improvement in games (it didn't).

http://www.knology.net/~mwkelley/test.jpg

Regards,
Matt K

"robw" <robwilkens@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uULSNa1FHHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> The fan is working (i've got a transparent case, plus all my other sensors
> for fan speed are reading properly (3 fans in the range of 1,000+ to
> 3,000+ rpm, and I don't meant redhat-package-manager.)
>
> -Rob

Tell ya what.. I'll replace the heat sink paste tomorrow and relatch the
heat sink (I believe a local store carries the paste)..

Until I do that, you can all ignore me like the idiot you think I am (I
wouldn't necessarily say you're wrong at this point either).

However, I still say "If Linux can deal with my apparently poor hardware
building skills, why not Windows?"

-Rob


"electragician" <electragician@dropthispartgmail.com> wrote in message
news:u5l6eW1FHHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> It's highly likely that you've either got the heat sink installed
> improperly, the heat sink fan isn't working properly, or you have some
> other hardware problem.
>
> My bet is on the heat sink, as it could be making minimal contact with the
> processor surface through improper mounting. It was tough getting the heat
> sink latched down all the way on my M2N-E.
>
> With everything properly setup and working, hardware-wise, your system
> should not be overheating, no matter what the OS does.
>
> Regards,
> Matt K
>
>
> "robw" <robwilkens@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O0RggN1FHHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> It's a brand new Asus M2N32-SLI-Deluxe motherboard.
>>
>> Odd, Linux has thermal zoning. And it works.
>>
>> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Thermal_Zone
>> Says "Supported Devices: AMD nforce2 based motherboards"
>>
>> Which I presume is what I have.
>>
>> -Rob

>

Oh, I don't think you're an idiot at all.

I can't explain why Linux is able to keep the system from overheating when
Vista isn't, but what I am saying is that no matter what either OS is doing,
the system shouldn't overheat. Ever.

Regards,
Matt K


"robw" <robwilkens@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eHsIBn1FHHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Tell ya what.. I'll replace the heat sink paste tomorrow and relatch the
> heat sink (I believe a local store carries the paste)..
>
> Until I do that, you can all ignore me like the idiot you think I am (I
> wouldn't necessarily say you're wrong at this point either).
>
> However, I still say "If Linux can deal with my apparently poor hardware
> building skills, why not Windows?"
>
> -Rob

robw wrote:

> Tell ya what.. I'll replace the heat sink paste tomorrow and relatch the
> heat sink (I believe a local store carries the paste)..
>
> Until I do that, you can all ignore me like the idiot you think I am (I
> wouldn't necessarily say you're wrong at this point either).
>
> However, I still say "If Linux can deal with my apparently poor hardware
> building skills, why not Windows?"
>
> -Rob
>
>
> "electragician" <electragician@dropthispartgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u5l6eW1FHHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>

>> It's highly likely that you've either got the heat sink installed
>> improperly, the heat sink fan isn't working properly, or you have some
>> other hardware problem.
>>
>> My bet is on the heat sink, as it could be making minimal contact with
>> the processor surface through improper mounting. It was tough getting
>> the heat sink latched down all the way on my M2N-E.
>>
>> With everything properly setup and working, hardware-wise, your system
>> should not be overheating, no matter what the OS does.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matt K
>>
>>
>> "robw" <robwilkens@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:O0RggN1FHHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>

>>> It's a brand new Asus M2N32-SLI-Deluxe motherboard.
>>>
>>> Odd, Linux has thermal zoning. And it works.
>>>
>>> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Thermal_Zone
>>> Says "Supported Devices: AMD nforce2 based motherboards"
>>>
>>> Which I presume is what I have.
>>>
>>> -Rob

>>
>>

>

Try this:
Open your case and with Vista then linux running (3-5mins each) stick a
thermometer on the base of the heat sink for about 30 seconds (same
place for each os) and let us know the readings.
Frank