Why do i always need to "Run as an Admin"?

Posted: 09-26-2008, 04:30 AM

techenthu

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Hi,

I have an application which i need to install in the the Program file
and launch at the startup.With UAC enabled, I install it as a
administrator,it works fine and launches at the start up when i log of
and log in again as an admin.But,when i log in as a normal user i hav
to always "Run as an Administrator" and provide the admin password fo
launching it , which i dont want to do.

When I disable the UAC ,the application does not even start as a norma
user it just says "Applicatoin has stopped working" and give
System.UnAuthorisedException.

I need the application in the Program files itself and cannot move i
to some other user folder

I need to know if there is a way to run an application as a normal use
without providing the admin password.

Any help would be highly appreciated

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Posted: 09-26-2008, 05:10 AM

techenthu;845780 Wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have an application which i need to install in the the Program files
> and launch at the startup.With UAC enabled, I install it as an
> administrator,it works fine and launches at the start up when i log off
> and log in again as an admin.But,when i log in as a normal user i have
> to always "Run as an Administrator" and provide the admin password for
> launching it , which i dont want to do.
>
> When I disable the UAC ,the application does not even start as a normal
> user it just says "Applicatoin has stopped working" and gives
> System.UnAuthorisedException.
>
> I need the application in the Program files itself and cannot move it
> to some other user folder.
>
> I need to know if there is a way to run an application as a normal user
> without providing the admin password.
>
> Any help would be highly appreciated.

Hello Techenthu,

You might create a task in Task Scheduler to have that program run at
startup instead. This tutorial will help show you how to if needed. It
will avoid the UAC problem at startup.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/16...-computer.html

Hope this helps,
Shawn

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Re: Why do i always need to "Run as an Admin"?

Posted: 09-26-2008, 05:33 AM

techenthu wrote:

>
> I need to know if there is a way to run an application as a normal user
> without providing the admin password.
>

No, if the program needs its rights escalated to run at the moment
privilege escalation with admin rights and the account is a non Admin
account being used to run the program, then the non admin user must give
an user-id and psw to a admin account at the time of privileged escalation.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc138019.aspx

Now you can the Task Scheduler to start the program, but still Task
Schsduler will run the task with the highest privileges it can archive.

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Re: Why do i always need to "Run as an Admin"?

Posted: 09-26-2008, 08:15 AM

Thanks Shawn!

The application comes as a package and when i run the setup file i
goes and sits in the program files and is launched at the startup. I d
not want to alter this behaviour

what i did
I have disabled the UAC and have changed the attributes settings of th
entire folder so that it is not "Read Only" now ,with this i am able t
start the application as a standard user and it does not even prompt fo
the admin password , though it reduces the security of my system

Problem now
The application in turns starts another services which needs t
allocate memory and now i get "Cannot acess memory at location .... "
and it crashes the internal services and when i debug it points me t
some part of code in new.cpp files

any idea what needs to be done

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Posted: 09-26-2008, 09:17 AM

techenthu;845915 Wrote:

> Thanks Shawn!!
>
> The application comes as a package and when i run the setup file it
> goes and sits in the program files and is launched at the startup. I do
> not want to alter this behaviour.
>
> what i did,
> I have disabled the UAC and have changed the attributes settings of the
> entire folder so that it is not "Read Only" now ,with this i am able to
> start the application as a standard user and it does not even prompt for
> the admin password , though it reduces the security of my system
>
> Problem now,
> The application in turns starts another services which needs to
> allocate memory and now i get "Cannot acess memory at location .... "
> and it crashes the internal services and when i debug it points me to
> some part of code in new.cpp files
>
> any idea what needs to be done ?

The error message i get is "Access violation reading location
0x00000000"

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Posted: 09-26-2008, 04:35 PM

techenthu wrote:

>>
>> Problem now,
>> The application in turns starts another services which needs to
>> allocate memory and now i get "Cannot acess memory at location .... "
>> and it crashes the internal services and when i debug it points me to
>> some part of code in new.cpp files
>>
>> any idea what needs to be done ?

Let's see here. The program will not run and blows-up when UAC is
disabled, because the program is a Vista UAC compliant program. And at
some point in you trek to get this program to work, it has clearly told
you about the *System.UnAuthorisedException*.

It works when UAC is enabled, because with UAC enabled, it allows the
program to use the Administrator Full Rights security token to escalate
its rights to perform a needed task within the program. It's a Vista UAC
compliant program.

So basically, you're right back at square one
*System.UnAuthorisedException*, because permissions cannot be set for
the program.

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Posted: 09-26-2008, 04:08 PM

Techenthu

Have you tried to see if it that startup program will run better a
startup as a task instead of from the startup programs list

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/79...le-disable.htm

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Posted: 09-29-2008, 06:56 AM

well ... i dont want it to run as a scheduled task.

I just want the functionality similar to the setuid function in unix.I
want the application to be launched by the standard user but with the id
of the admin,without having to provide the admin password.

i doubt if its possible in Vista

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Posted: 09-29-2008, 10:51 AM

techenthu wrote:

> well ... i dont want it to run as a scheduled task.
>
> I just want the functionality similar to the setuid function in unix.I
> want the application to be launched by the standard user but with the id
> of the admin,without having to provide the admin password.
>
> i doubt if its possible in Vista
>
>

It's not going to happen.

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Re: Why do i always need to "Run as an Admin"?

Posted: 09-26-2008, 04:41 PM

techenthu wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have an application which i need to install in the the Program files
> and launch at the startup.With UAC enabled, I install it as an
> administrator,it works fine and launches at the start up when i log off
> and log in again as an admin.But,when i log in as a normal user i have
> to always "Run as an Administrator" and provide the admin password for
> launching it , which i dont want to do.
>
> When I disable the UAC ,the application does not even start as a normal
> user it just says "Applicatoin has stopped working" and gives
> System.UnAuthorisedException.
>
> I need the application in the Program files itself and cannot move it
> to some other user folder.
>
> I need to know if there is a way to run an application as a normal user
> without providing the admin password.
>

Basically, you're trying to use an application that was not designed to
run securely, or to be used on a secure OS. That might make it
dangerous (Can't say for sure, since you've kept the application's name
and purpose to yourself.) to use.

For proper resolution, you'd have to ask that application's
manufacturer if they have a patch or upgrade available to make it
Vista-compatible.

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