On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:54:21 +0100, jonah <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>DOWN CONOR - its not one of those "How do I get back to XP posts"
>
>I was just wondering if there was any specific technical or other
>reason why MSFT did not include a built in automatic backout in this
>Public Beta to revert to XP. The results of not doing so were entirely
>predictable and have caused a lot of grief to a lot of people, their
>own fault entirely, but still if it was possible it would not have
>been a bad idea.

They might have that in the final retail version but I'm sure they did it
ON PURPOSE to teach all those little morons who should not touch a beta a
nice lesson. If only they had included the black ice like I suggested.
--
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/

All in all Jonah, I think it is a good question. But MSFT screwed the
pooch when the System Restore team forgot to backport the infrastructure of
Volume Shadow Services restore points to Win XP keep an XP/Vista dual boot
from loosing them on Vista. It can be done but whether the Microsoft System
Restore team will do it is up in the air. Also it would be great if they
can get system restore to reliably manufacture restore points at the default
times it is supposed to before they start putting Vista on choppers and
waving to it and putting it in stores and on sites to sell.

I think you raise a good point although I agree a dual boot is a very good
solution because I find:

1) I can go right to my XP desktop and use its shortcuts, files, folders and
even access some of its OE by going to the stored folders.:

C:\Documents and Settings\Jonah's XP Profile\Desktop (if XP were on C:\ and
you dual booted).

2) I also find that if say you have several users on the Vista box (as a
family might or room mates might or couples) that you can access the other
user's desktop (I'm not sure that password protection might not require the
password this way--don't know--I'd have to try that) by simply typing:

C:\(or whatever drive)\Users\whatever profile\desktop and this is faster
than logging off or fast user switching and there are times when Fast User
Switching will corrupt a profile and this is one way to use it--some of the
recovery options may help get it back or trying to repair the profile.

How to check user profiles on a Windows XP-based computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q294887/

For additional information, visit the following Microsoft Web sites:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...oncepts_14.htm
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...oncepts_14.htm)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../dataprot.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/arc....mspx?mfr=true

How to Recover a Damaged User Profile in Windows XP
http://channels.lockergnome.com/it/a..._profile.phtml

CH

"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:lmnj925vk8k940kts0ecp0jo601b9ku03v@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:00:26 -0400, "Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>

>>
>>"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:qamj92tuhnu3vfohehsnvu3qqhg3l69h1e@4ax.com. ..

>>>
>>> DOWN CONOR - its not one of those "How do I get back to XP posts"
>>>
>>> I was just wondering if there was any specific technical or other
>>> reason why MSFT did not include a built in automatic backout in this
>>> Public Beta to revert to XP. The results of not doing so were entirely
>>> predictable and have caused a lot of grief to a lot of people, their
>>> own fault entirely, but still if it was possible it would not have
>>> been a bad idea.
>>>
>>> Jonah

>>
>>They did. It's called dual boot and the instructions were quite clear.
>>
>>Along with the instructions to not put it on a machine where backing out
>>to
>>XP would be important.
>>

> Thats not what I mean, when upgrading from Win98SE to XP there was, as
> I recall a backout to revert to Win98SE, I am wondering if it was
> possible to have included a similar backout option in this beta and if
> so why did MSFT not do so, was it for technical or other reasons.
>
> It would have saved a lot of predictable trouble for those people who
> cannot read instructions / warnings and incidently made it easier for
> the responders in this NG to help people who did ill advised upgrades
> to get back to XP.
>
> I am not being critical its just a general interest question.
>
> Jonah

Based on a live meeting I attended yesterday on System Restore, VSS, and
CompletePC Backup, backporting the VSS changes to XP is not in the works.
The reason given was that it would break a lot of stuff.

"Chad Harris" <chad@Congressareworthless.net> wrote in message
news:u4xYqcclGHA.3740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> All in all Jonah, I think it is a good question. But MSFT screwed the
> pooch when the System Restore team forgot to backport the infrastructure
> of Volume Shadow Services restore points to Win XP keep an XP/Vista dual
> boot from loosing them on Vista. It can be done but whether the Microsoft
> System Restore team will do it is up in the air. Also it would be great
> if they can get system restore to reliably manufacture restore points at
> the default times it is supposed to before they start putting Vista on
> choppers and waving to it and putting it in stores and on sites to sell.
>
> I think you raise a good point although I agree a dual boot is a very
> good solution because I find:
>
> 1) I can go right to my XP desktop and use its shortcuts, files, folders
> and even access some of its OE by going to the stored folders.:
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\Jonah's XP Profile\Desktop (if XP were on C:\
> and you dual booted).
>
> 2) I also find that if say you have several users on the Vista box (as a
> family might or room mates might or couples) that you can access the other
> user's desktop (I'm not sure that password protection might not require
> the password this way--don't know--I'd have to try that) by simply typing:
>
> C:\(or whatever drive)\Users\whatever profile\desktop and this is faster
> than logging off or fast user switching and there are times when Fast User
> Switching will corrupt a profile and this is one way to use it--some of
> the recovery options may help get it back or trying to repair the profile.
>
> How to check user profiles on a Windows XP-based computer
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q294887/
>
> For additional information, visit the following Microsoft Web sites:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...oncepts_14.htm
> (http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...oncepts_14.htm)
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../dataprot.mspx
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/arc....mspx?mfr=true
>
> How to Recover a Damaged User Profile in Windows XP
> http://channels.lockergnome.com/it/a..._profile.phtml
>
> CH
>
> "jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:lmnj925vk8k940kts0ecp0jo601b9ku03v@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:00:26 -0400, "Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>>>
>>>"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:qamj92tuhnu3vfohehsnvu3qqhg3l69h1e@4ax.com ...
>>>>
>>>> DOWN CONOR - its not one of those "How do I get back to XP posts"
>>>>
>>>> I was just wondering if there was any specific technical or other
>>>> reason why MSFT did not include a built in automatic backout in this
>>>> Public Beta to revert to XP. The results of not doing so were entirely
>>>> predictable and have caused a lot of grief to a lot of people, their
>>>> own fault entirely, but still if it was possible it would not have
>>>> been a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> Jonah
>>>
>>>They did. It's called dual boot and the instructions were quite clear.
>>>
>>>Along with the instructions to not put it on a machine where backing out
>>>to
>>>XP would be important.
>>>

>> Thats not what I mean, when upgrading from Win98SE to XP there was, as
>> I recall a backout to revert to Win98SE, I am wondering if it was
>> possible to have included a similar backout option in this beta and if
>> so why did MSFT not do so, was it for technical or other reasons.
>>
>> It would have saved a lot of predictable trouble for those people who
>> cannot read instructions / warnings and incidently made it easier for
>> the responders in this NG to help people who did ill advised upgrades
>> to get back to XP.
>>
>> I am not being critical its just a general interest question.
>>
>> Jonah

>

How to start the Windows XP uninstallation process from a command prompt
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308233/en-us

"Uninstall Option Not Available" Error Message When You Upgrade Your
Computer to Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303160/EN-US/

How to uninstall Windows XP and revert to a previous operating system
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303661/EN-US/

CH


"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:Oz7pErZlGHA.3740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Hi,
>
> People are used to Win9x upgrades where reversion to a previous OS was the
> norm. In NT systems, the option to "uninstall" has never been a part of
> the standard installation. Win2K, XP, and Vista are all NT systems, and
> upgrading any of them are a one way street.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:qamj92tuhnu3vfohehsnvu3qqhg3l69h1e@4ax.com...

>>
>> DOWN CONOR - its not one of those "How do I get back to XP posts"
>>
>> I was just wondering if there was any specific technical or other
>> reason why MSFT did not include a built in automatic backout in this
>> Public Beta to revert to XP. The results of not doing so were entirely
>> predictable and have caused a lot of grief to a lot of people, their
>> own fault entirely, but still if it was possible it would not have
>> been a bad idea.
>>
>> Jonah

>

The One Care Live team says on their blog that 65% of people have no backup
in discussing their nice backup feature (not as robust as the one in
Vista--Vista will back up media files). I put that figure at 80% at the
minimum. Using a Beta should be a more compelling reason for having a good
backup. I wish there were a way to check to see if a backup were in place
before Vista would install.

CH

"Gary Mount" <gary_mount@telus.net> wrote in message
news:uJhbYfalGHA.4540@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> You can get back to your XP the same way you would get your XP back due to
> a hardware failure, by using your backup.
> People can not get back to their XP if the hard drive containing the O/S
> fails, unless they have a backup, so if they are complaining that they
> can't get back to XP after upgrading to Vista, it makes little difference.
> They should always have a backup plan.
>
> You can always reinstall XP and reinstall your apps. You will not lose any
> of your personal files. Unless of course you over write them or reformat
> the disk they are on (and don't have a backup).
>
>
> "jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:qamj92tuhnu3vfohehsnvu3qqhg3l69h1e@4ax.com...

>>
>> DOWN CONOR - its not one of those "How do I get back to XP posts"
>>
>> I was just wondering if there was any specific technical or other
>> reason why MSFT did not include a built in automatic backout in this
>> Public Beta to revert to XP. The results of not doing so were entirely
>> predictable and have caused a lot of grief to a lot of people, their
>> own fault entirely, but still if it was possible it would not have
>> been a bad idea.
>>
>> Jonah

>

If you read the articles you just posted, you'll see they support what I
just said. If you upgraded Win2K or WinNT4 to WinXP (both of which are NT
systems), then you will find that there is no uninstall. Uninstall was/is
only an option when the upgrade is *from* a Win9x system (and even then only
under certain conditions). Vista is an NT system, and an upgrade from XP is
like any other NT upgrade, ie: not reversible.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Chad Harris" <chad@Congressareworthless.net> wrote in message
news:eMJ2lHdlGHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> How to start the Windows XP uninstallation process from a command prompt
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308233/en-us
>
> "Uninstall Option Not Available" Error Message When You Upgrade Your
> Computer to Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303160/EN-US/
>
> How to uninstall Windows XP and revert to a previous operating system
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303661/EN-US/
>
> CH
>
>
> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:Oz7pErZlGHA.3740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Hi,
>>
>> People are used to Win9x upgrades where reversion to a previous OS was
>> the norm. In NT systems, the option to "uninstall" has never been a part
>> of the standard installation. Win2K, XP, and Vista are all NT systems,
>> and upgrading any of them are a one way street.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>
>> "jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:qamj92tuhnu3vfohehsnvu3qqhg3l69h1e@4ax.com...

>>>
>>> DOWN CONOR - its not one of those "How do I get back to XP posts"
>>>
>>> I was just wondering if there was any specific technical or other
>>> reason why MSFT did not include a built in automatic backout in this
>>> Public Beta to revert to XP. The results of not doing so were entirely
>>> predictable and have caused a lot of grief to a lot of people, their
>>> own fault entirely, but still if it was possible it would not have
>>> been a bad idea.
>>>
>>> Jonah

>>

>

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:32:48 -0700, "Zapper" <zapper@uribe-mahler.com>
wrote:

>They should have not even let the install upgrade XP...they should have left
>testing that functionality to the technical beta testers...
>Then there would have been less confusion..though the warnings were all over
>the place....

yeah agreed

Jonah

>
>
>"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:lmnj925vk8k940kts0ecp0jo601b9ku03v@4ax.com.. .

>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:00:26 -0400, "Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>>>
>>>"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:qamj92tuhnu3vfohehsnvu3qqhg3l69h1e@4ax.com ...
>>>>
>>>> DOWN CONOR - its not one of those "How do I get back to XP posts"
>>>>
>>>> I was just wondering if there was any specific technical or other
>>>> reason why MSFT did not include a built in automatic backout in this
>>>> Public Beta to revert to XP. The results of not doing so were entirely
>>>> predictable and have caused a lot of grief to a lot of people, their
>>>> own fault entirely, but still if it was possible it would not have
>>>> been a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> Jonah
>>>
>>>They did. It's called dual boot and the instructions were quite clear.
>>>
>>>Along with the instructions to not put it on a machine where backing out
>>>to
>>>XP would be important.
>>>

>> Thats not what I mean, when upgrading from Win98SE to XP there was, as
>> I recall a backout to revert to Win98SE, I am wondering if it was
>> possible to have included a similar backout option in this beta and if
>> so why did MSFT not do so, was it for technical or other reasons.
>>
>> It would have saved a lot of predictable trouble for those people who
>> cannot read instructions / warnings and incidently made it easier for
>> the responders in this NG to help people who did ill advised upgrades
>> to get back to XP.
>>
>> I am not being critical its just a general interest question.
>>
>> Jonah

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:15:40 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst"
<colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:

>Based on a live meeting I attended yesterday on System Restore, VSS, and
>CompletePC Backup, backporting the VSS changes to XP is not in the works.
>The reason given was that it would break a lot of stuff.
>

snip

>>

Aha, between you and Chad I think the answer has emerged.

8-)

Jonah

It's spelled "backup".

"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:blbl92lkm80ogm10e97huigbsfp0qp18cg@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:32:48 -0700, "Zapper" <zapper@uribe-mahler.com>
> wrote:
>

>>They should have not even let the install upgrade XP...they should have
>>left
>>testing that functionality to the technical beta testers...
>>Then there would have been less confusion..though the warnings were all
>>over
>>the place....

>
> yeah agreed
>
> Jonah

>>
>>
>>"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:lmnj925vk8k940kts0ecp0jo601b9ku03v@4ax.com. ..

>>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:00:26 -0400, "Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:qamj92tuhnu3vfohehsnvu3qqhg3l69h1e@4ax.co m...
>>>>>
>>>>> DOWN CONOR - its not one of those "How do I get back to XP posts"
>>>>>
>>>>> I was just wondering if there was any specific technical or other
>>>>> reason why MSFT did not include a built in automatic backout in this
>>>>> Public Beta to revert to XP. The results of not doing so were entirely
>>>>> predictable and have caused a lot of grief to a lot of people, their
>>>>> own fault entirely, but still if it was possible it would not have
>>>>> been a bad idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonah
>>>>
>>>>They did. It's called dual boot and the instructions were quite clear.
>>>>
>>>>Along with the instructions to not put it on a machine where backing out
>>>>to
>>>>XP would be important.
>>>>
>>> Thats not what I mean, when upgrading from Win98SE to XP there was, as
>>> I recall a backout to revert to Win98SE, I am wondering if it was
>>> possible to have included a similar backout option in this beta and if
>>> so why did MSFT not do so, was it for technical or other reasons.
>>>
>>> It would have saved a lot of predictable trouble for those people who
>>> cannot read instructions / warnings and incidently made it easier for
>>> the responders in this NG to help people who did ill advised upgrades
>>> to get back to XP.
>>>
>>> I am not being critical its just a general interest question.
>>>
>>> Jonah

>

In article <qamj92tuhnu3vfohehsnvu3qqhg3l69h1e@4ax.com>, jonah says...

>
> DOWN CONOR - its not one of those "How do I get back to XP posts"
>

LOL, sorry mate. It's been one of those weeks.

--
Conor

Who the fuck said I was trying to endear myself to anyone?