Why Vista will take a back seat for a few years

Comment Vista is a step forward in security, but many businesses will
be stuck with Windows XP for years to come, due to the cost of
upgrading, the value of existing assets, and compatibility issues that
trump security features.

As I write this, Microsoft is launching the consumer version of Vista
in New York, apparently with dancers in tights scaling the side of an
office building to form a human billboard. It sounds like the
highlight of the launch, which reads in many news reports as a real
yawner. It's too bad in a way, because Vista's security architecture
makes it a much better product. But there aren't too many consumers
lined up to buy Vista.

It's unfortunate that some of the useful features like full disk
encryption (BitLocker), license transferability, and support inside
virtual machines aren't enabled in the consumer (OEM) version of
Vista, but that's a renewed discussion for another time.

I think Vista is a great advancement in safety and security for
consumers, but most of those folks don't know what the real
differences are. Consumers will just end up with Vista (or perhaps OS
X, or even the long shot, Linux) the next time they buy a computer.
They'll still need anti-virus, anti-spyware, and all the rest.
Consumers who do understand what Vista offers aren't exactly lining up
either, because they also know about the heavy hardware requirements,
the lack of drivers, no gaming need for DirectX 10 (yet), which is
exclusive to Vista, and some of the questionable product activation
decisions made by Microsoft.

For businesses it's another story. They do know and care about Vista's
security improvements. It really is better. It's a big step forward
from Windows XP security, I agree. And if one believes Microsoft's
marketing rhetoric, most businesses will be deploying Vista in the
next three to six months, right? Not so fast...

Why is it that Windows XP will remain the corporate standard for years
to come?

The cost of upgrading from XP (or, why everyone loves Vista)
Computers are assets in a business environment where the cost to
maintain them far exceeds the purchase price of the hardware and
software. Businesses want to keep costs and expenditures down, but
more importantly they want to get the best value from their assets.
Computers are only important to a company because of the applications
that they run - and compatibility is key here. Unless an enterprise
application that's critical to the business' operation requires
Windows Vista, what is the business reason to upgrade?

I'm scratching my head on that one. Most businesses will stick with
Windows XP for the next few years. Security by itself is not a
business reason to upgrade; security and Windows don't exist in a
vacuum. And yet, just about every vendor on the planet will now be
telling you and your business about the need to upgrade to Windows
Vista. Let's take a look a just a few of the reasons why.

Consultants love Vista because it means big consulting dollars to
evaluate, plan, test, migrate and implement new desktops and server
platforms in business environments. Vista is different enough, in
fact, they may even need to raise their rates.

Resellers love Vista because the hardware requirements are very steep,
meaning heavy new hardware purchases and new software licenses all
around. Hardware manufacturers love Vista and are happy to advertise
this fact because it just doesn't run well on old hardware (old = one
year old). It doesn't run well at all on any laptop today that isn't
high-end, say, anything less than dual 2.0 Ghz processors in a Core 2
Duo with a bare minimum gigabyte of RAM. Ouch. Video card
manufacturers really love Vista because, for the first time ever, the
majority of the population who don't play games (business users) will
still need a high-end video card just to get all the OS features
enabled in their word processor and web browser.

IT and security admins love Vista because they will need new training
and new certifications to put on their resume. Security vendors love
Vista because all customers will still need anti-virus, anti-spam,
anti-spyware, anti-phishing, anti-adware, anti-fungal, anti-everything
software. Help Desk folks love Vista because it provides long-term job
security. And end users love Vista because it means they get some new
training and a fancy new computer, albeit one that's faster yet
somehow runs slower than the one they had before.

Content producers love Vista. Computer scientist Peter Guttman has a
fascinating DRM discussion about how Vista purposely degrades "premium
content" and affects what you can do with that content. It also
affects system performance, stability, support, and hardware and
software costs.

Apple shareholders love Vista because it will drive more folks to the
Mac OS X environment than ever before.

Spyware and adware companies love Vista because the Internet Explorer
7 browser still supports ActiveX, an ill-conceived language dating
back to the Netscape days. But I'm getting ahead of myself; oops, IE7
and its new ActiveX controls run just fine on Windows XP as well.
Criminals are putting their botnet software and keyloggers in many of
those "Vista Activation Crack" torrents on the Internet. Even virus
writers love Vista, because it gives them fun new challenges to adapt
and overcome Vista's security model in potentially trivial ways, like
social engineering.

A great many companies and individuals, legitimate or otherwise, are
set to make quite a bit of money off the early adopters of Vista. And
it's all just to replace existing office technologies such as Windows
XP that often perform adequately and do the job today. Of course,
today's corporate installs may or may not be secure...

http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/0..._waiting_game/

OK Tokyo Rose,
how about offering some solutions?
For the most part, I have used and followed Microsoft products.
I understand development but have 0 tolerance for bs marketing jargon.
As do 90% of it's power users.
Linux will not gain a foot hold in the market.
Most of Linux proponent troll programmers have wasted the use of an open source to write hacks against windows.
i.e. buy hammers and hit people over the head with them claiming they are a security risk rather than actually build something worthwhile for the rest of society.
90% of those for marketing purposes see line 4 .....
Every time I even ventured into the linux world I was met by trolls 10 times less worthwhile than your moronic taunts.
So I came back and got the job done with helpful responses from decent people.
Bounce that up and down in your rubber pajamas retard.


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Comment Vista is a step forward in security, but many businesses will
be stuck with Windows XP for years to come, due to the cost of
upgrading, the value of existing assets, and compatibility issues that
trump security features.

As I write this, Microsoft is launching the consumer version of Vista
in New York, apparently with dancers in tights scaling the side of an
office building to form a human billboard. It sounds like the
highlight of the launch, which reads in many news reports as a real
yawner. It's too bad in a way, because Vista's security architecture
makes it a much better product. But there aren't too many consumers
lined up to buy Vista.

It's unfortunate that some of the useful features like full disk
encryption (BitLocker), license transferability, and support inside
virtual machines aren't enabled in the consumer (OEM) version of
Vista, but that's a renewed discussion for another time.

I think Vista is a great advancement in safety and security for
consumers, but most of those folks don't know what the real
differences are. Consumers will just end up with Vista (or perhaps OS
X, or even the long shot, Linux) the next time they buy a computer.
They'll still need anti-virus, anti-spyware, and all the rest.
Consumers who do understand what Vista offers aren't exactly lining up
either, because they also know about the heavy hardware requirements,
the lack of drivers, no gaming need for DirectX 10 (yet), which is
exclusive to Vista, and some of the questionable product activation
decisions made by Microsoft.

For businesses it's another story. They do know and care about Vista's
security improvements. It really is better. It's a big step forward
from Windows XP security, I agree. And if one believes Microsoft's
marketing rhetoric, most businesses will be deploying Vista in the
next three to six months, right? Not so fast...

Why is it that Windows XP will remain the corporate standard for years
to come?

The cost of upgrading from XP (or, why everyone loves Vista)
Computers are assets in a business environment where the cost to
maintain them far exceeds the purchase price of the hardware and
software. Businesses want to keep costs and expenditures down, but
more importantly they want to get the best value from their assets.
Computers are only important to a company because of the applications
that they run - and compatibility is key here. Unless an enterprise
application that's critical to the business' operation requires
Windows Vista, what is the business reason to upgrade?

I'm scratching my head on that one. Most businesses will stick with
Windows XP for the next few years. Security by itself is not a
business reason to upgrade; security and Windows don't exist in a
vacuum. And yet, just about every vendor on the planet will now be
telling you and your business about the need to upgrade to Windows
Vista. Let's take a look a just a few of the reasons why.

Consultants love Vista because it means big consulting dollars to
evaluate, plan, test, migrate and implement new desktops and server
platforms in business environments. Vista is different enough, in
fact, they may even need to raise their rates.

Resellers love Vista because the hardware requirements are very steep,
meaning heavy new hardware purchases and new software licenses all
around. Hardware manufacturers love Vista and are happy to advertise
this fact because it just doesn't run well on old hardware (old = one
year old). It doesn't run well at all on any laptop today that isn't
high-end, say, anything less than dual 2.0 Ghz processors in a Core 2
Duo with a bare minimum gigabyte of RAM. Ouch. Video card
manufacturers really love Vista because, for the first time ever, the
majority of the population who don't play games (business users) will
still need a high-end video card just to get all the OS features
enabled in their word processor and web browser.

IT and security admins love Vista because they will need new training
and new certifications to put on their resume. Security vendors love
Vista because all customers will still need anti-virus, anti-spam,
anti-spyware, anti-phishing, anti-adware, anti-fungal, anti-everything
software. Help Desk folks love Vista because it provides long-term job
security. And end users love Vista because it means they get some new
training and a fancy new computer, albeit one that's faster yet
somehow runs slower than the one they had before.

Content producers love Vista. Computer scientist Peter Guttman has a
fascinating DRM discussion about how Vista purposely degrades "premium
content" and affects what you can do with that content. It also
affects system performance, stability, support, and hardware and
software costs.

Apple shareholders love Vista because it will drive more folks to the
Mac OS X environment than ever before.

Spyware and adware companies love Vista because the Internet Explorer
7 browser still supports ActiveX, an ill-conceived language dating
back to the Netscape days. But I'm getting ahead of myself; oops, IE7
and its new ActiveX controls run just fine on Windows XP as well.
Criminals are putting their botnet software and keyloggers in many of
those "Vista Activation Crack" torrents on the Internet. Even virus
writers love Vista, because it gives them fun new challenges to adapt
and overcome Vista's security model in potentially trivial ways, like
social engineering.

A great many companies and individuals, legitimate or otherwise, are
set to make quite a bit of money off the early adopters of Vista. And
it's all just to replace existing office technologies such as Windows
XP that often perform adequately and do the job today. Of course,
today's corporate installs may or may not be secure...

http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/0..._waiting_game/

I get a bit salty because the fact is a re- install or a ghost image is faster than most security tools can perform in scan and repair due to the complexity involved with todays mal ware / spy ware bugs floating around. Let alone the physical size of the implementation. I am not holding MS responsible for for the security issues, because quite simply the environment is too big to judge for productivity to continue with optimism.
Management wise, the OS installs faster than 3rd parties can scan it. In a production or corporate environment a ghost image would implement days faster than bug chasing and that time is quickly approaching.
So I am looking at this time period as a long and painful debugging phase for the OS assembly to fit hardware standards and remain intact in a space untouched through enough generations to be useful. When I refer to the assembly it is the kernel. With PnP being the main component of most security risks as well as development benefits it becomes a real nightmare.
High level compiled systems will of course be the power to the end user's for utilizing off the shelf products in ways the developers never imagined. But over all the time is presenting itself for a chip based OS to handle the security issues. More or less the console PC may prevail as a more stable implementation like a BIOS. The hard disk will be the only volatile structure. With the hardware advances doubling exponentially every year I find the entire current premise in the current architecture almost obsolete. We are more or less a large market of beta testers on our end and the complexity growth is going to continue growing beyond what a reasonable development team will be able to surmise without AI production model assistance.

You ever read this?
http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/a...ml?printable=1
Best regards,
~Chris


"Vigilante" <kewlvigilante@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8CCFC4D1-377A-4B1E-851D-3E34D2A772C0@microsoft.com...
OK Tokyo Rose,
how about offering some solutions?
For the most part, I have used and followed Microsoft products.
I understand development but have 0 tolerance for bs marketing jargon.
As do 90% of it's power users.
Linux will not gain a foot hold in the market.
Most of Linux proponent troll programmers have wasted the use of an open source to write hacks against windows.
i.e. buy hammers and hit people over the head with them claiming they are a security risk rather than actually build something worthwhile for the rest of society.
90% of those for marketing purposes see line 4 .....
Every time I even ventured into the linux world I was met by trolls 10 times less worthwhile than your moronic taunts.
So I came back and got the job done with helpful responses from decent people.
Bounce that up and down in your rubber pajamas retard.


"NjNjnUiop&*()*&&*()(*&)HUIOHIUHOIHHIUHUIOIUHIUHOI UHUIHOIUHIOUHFTUYFUTYUF" <babba08@telus.net> wrote in message news:1184720021.199263.297190@e16g2000pri.googlegr oups.com...
Comment Vista is a step forward in security, but many businesses will
be stuck with Windows XP for years to come, due to the cost of
upgrading, the value of existing assets, and compatibility issues that
trump security features.

As I write this, Microsoft is launching the consumer version of Vista
in New York, apparently with dancers in tights scaling the side of an
office building to form a human billboard. It sounds like the
highlight of the launch, which reads in many news reports as a real
yawner. It's too bad in a way, because Vista's security architecture
makes it a much better product. But there aren't too many consumers
lined up to buy Vista.

It's unfortunate that some of the useful features like full disk
encryption (BitLocker), license transferability, and support inside
virtual machines aren't enabled in the consumer (OEM) version of
Vista, but that's a renewed discussion for another time.

I think Vista is a great advancement in safety and security for
consumers, but most of those folks don't know what the real
differences are. Consumers will just end up with Vista (or perhaps OS
X, or even the long shot, Linux) the next time they buy a computer.
They'll still need anti-virus, anti-spyware, and all the rest.
Consumers who do understand what Vista offers aren't exactly lining up
either, because they also know about the heavy hardware requirements,
the lack of drivers, no gaming need for DirectX 10 (yet), which is
exclusive to Vista, and some of the questionable product activation
decisions made by Microsoft.

For businesses it's another story. They do know and care about Vista's
security improvements. It really is better. It's a big step forward
from Windows XP security, I agree. And if one believes Microsoft's
marketing rhetoric, most businesses will be deploying Vista in the
next three to six months, right? Not so fast...

Why is it that Windows XP will remain the corporate standard for years
to come?

The cost of upgrading from XP (or, why everyone loves Vista)
Computers are assets in a business environment where the cost to
maintain them far exceeds the purchase price of the hardware and
software. Businesses want to keep costs and expenditures down, but
more importantly they want to get the best value from their assets.
Computers are only important to a company because of the applications
that they run - and compatibility is key here. Unless an enterprise
application that's critical to the business' operation requires
Windows Vista, what is the business reason to upgrade?

I'm scratching my head on that one. Most businesses will stick with
Windows XP for the next few years. Security by itself is not a
business reason to upgrade; security and Windows don't exist in a
vacuum. And yet, just about every vendor on the planet will now be
telling you and your business about the need to upgrade to Windows
Vista. Let's take a look a just a few of the reasons why.

Consultants love Vista because it means big consulting dollars to
evaluate, plan, test, migrate and implement new desktops and server
platforms in business environments. Vista is different enough, in
fact, they may even need to raise their rates.

Resellers love Vista because the hardware requirements are very steep,
meaning heavy new hardware purchases and new software licenses all
around. Hardware manufacturers love Vista and are happy to advertise
this fact because it just doesn't run well on old hardware (old = one
year old). It doesn't run well at all on any laptop today that isn't
high-end, say, anything less than dual 2.0 Ghz processors in a Core 2
Duo with a bare minimum gigabyte of RAM. Ouch. Video card
manufacturers really love Vista because, for the first time ever, the
majority of the population who don't play games (business users) will
still need a high-end video card just to get all the OS features
enabled in their word processor and web browser.

IT and security admins love Vista because they will need new training
and new certifications to put on their resume. Security vendors love
Vista because all customers will still need anti-virus, anti-spam,
anti-spyware, anti-phishing, anti-adware, anti-fungal, anti-everything
software. Help Desk folks love Vista because it provides long-term job
security. And end users love Vista because it means they get some new
training and a fancy new computer, albeit one that's faster yet
somehow runs slower than the one they had before.

Content producers love Vista. Computer scientist Peter Guttman has a
fascinating DRM discussion about how Vista purposely degrades "premium
content" and affects what you can do with that content. It also
affects system performance, stability, support, and hardware and
software costs.

Apple shareholders love Vista because it will drive more folks to the
Mac OS X environment than ever before.

Spyware and adware companies love Vista because the Internet Explorer
7 browser still supports ActiveX, an ill-conceived language dating
back to the Netscape days. But I'm getting ahead of myself; oops, IE7
and its new ActiveX controls run just fine on Windows XP as well.
Criminals are putting their botnet software and keyloggers in many of
those "Vista Activation Crack" torrents on the Internet. Even virus
writers love Vista, because it gives them fun new challenges to adapt
and overcome Vista's security model in potentially trivial ways, like
social engineering.

A great many companies and individuals, legitimate or otherwise, are
set to make quite a bit of money off the early adopters of Vista. And
it's all just to replace existing office technologies such as Windows
XP that often perform adequately and do the job today. Of course,
today's corporate installs may or may not be secure...

http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/0..._waiting_game/

"Internet Explorer 7 browser still supports ActiveX, an ill-conceived
language"

LOL - since when ActiveX is a language???????

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> Comment Vista is a step forward in security, but many businesses will
> be stuck with Windows XP for years to come, due to the cost of
> upgrading, the value of existing assets, and compatibility issues that
> trump security features.
>
> As I write this, Microsoft is launching the consumer version of Vista
> in New York, apparently with dancers in tights scaling the side of an
> office building to form a human billboard. It sounds like the
> highlight of the launch, which reads in many news reports as a real
> yawner. It's too bad in a way, because Vista's security architecture
> makes it a much better product. But there aren't too many consumers
> lined up to buy Vista.
>
> It's unfortunate that some of the useful features like full disk
> encryption (BitLocker), license transferability, and support inside
> virtual machines aren't enabled in the consumer (OEM) version of
> Vista, but that's a renewed discussion for another time.
>
> I think Vista is a great advancement in safety and security for
> consumers, but most of those folks don't know what the real
> differences are. Consumers will just end up with Vista (or perhaps OS
> X, or even the long shot, Linux) the next time they buy a computer.
> They'll still need anti-virus, anti-spyware, and all the rest.
> Consumers who do understand what Vista offers aren't exactly lining up
> either, because they also know about the heavy hardware requirements,
> the lack of drivers, no gaming need for DirectX 10 (yet), which is
> exclusive to Vista, and some of the questionable product activation
> decisions made by Microsoft.
>
> For businesses it's another story. They do know and care about Vista's
> security improvements. It really is better. It's a big step forward
> from Windows XP security, I agree. And if one believes Microsoft's
> marketing rhetoric, most businesses will be deploying Vista in the
> next three to six months, right? Not so fast...
>
> Why is it that Windows XP will remain the corporate standard for years
> to come?
>
> The cost of upgrading from XP (or, why everyone loves Vista)
> Computers are assets in a business environment where the cost to
> maintain them far exceeds the purchase price of the hardware and
> software. Businesses want to keep costs and expenditures down, but
> more importantly they want to get the best value from their assets.
> Computers are only important to a company because of the applications
> that they run - and compatibility is key here. Unless an enterprise
> application that's critical to the business' operation requires
> Windows Vista, what is the business reason to upgrade?
>
> I'm scratching my head on that one. Most businesses will stick with
> Windows XP for the next few years. Security by itself is not a
> business reason to upgrade; security and Windows don't exist in a
> vacuum. And yet, just about every vendor on the planet will now be
> telling you and your business about the need to upgrade to Windows
> Vista. Let's take a look a just a few of the reasons why.
>
> Consultants love Vista because it means big consulting dollars to
> evaluate, plan, test, migrate and implement new desktops and server
> platforms in business environments. Vista is different enough, in
> fact, they may even need to raise their rates.
>
> Resellers love Vista because the hardware requirements are very steep,
> meaning heavy new hardware purchases and new software licenses all
> around. Hardware manufacturers love Vista and are happy to advertise
> this fact because it just doesn't run well on old hardware (old = one
> year old). It doesn't run well at all on any laptop today that isn't
> high-end, say, anything less than dual 2.0 Ghz processors in a Core 2
> Duo with a bare minimum gigabyte of RAM. Ouch. Video card
> manufacturers really love Vista because, for the first time ever, the
> majority of the population who don't play games (business users) will
> still need a high-end video card just to get all the OS features
> enabled in their word processor and web browser.
>
> IT and security admins love Vista because they will need new training
> and new certifications to put on their resume. Security vendors love
> Vista because all customers will still need anti-virus, anti-spam,
> anti-spyware, anti-phishing, anti-adware, anti-fungal, anti-everything
> software. Help Desk folks love Vista because it provides long-term job
> security. And end users love Vista because it means they get some new
> training and a fancy new computer, albeit one that's faster yet
> somehow runs slower than the one they had before.
>
> Content producers love Vista. Computer scientist Peter Guttman has a
> fascinating DRM discussion about how Vista purposely degrades "premium
> content" and affects what you can do with that content. It also
> affects system performance, stability, support, and hardware and
> software costs.
>
> Apple shareholders love Vista because it will drive more folks to the
> Mac OS X environment than ever before.
>
> Spyware and adware companies love Vista because the Internet Explorer
> 7 browser still supports ActiveX, an ill-conceived language dating
> back to the Netscape days. But I'm getting ahead of myself; oops, IE7
> and its new ActiveX controls run just fine on Windows XP as well.
> Criminals are putting their botnet software and keyloggers in many of
> those "Vista Activation Crack" torrents on the Internet. Even virus
> writers love Vista, because it gives them fun new challenges to adapt
> and overcome Vista's security model in potentially trivial ways, like
> social engineering.
>
> A great many companies and individuals, legitimate or otherwise, are
> set to make quite a bit of money off the early adopters of Vista. And
> it's all just to replace existing office technologies such as Windows
> XP that often perform adequately and do the job today. Of course,
> today's corporate installs may or may not be secure...
>
> http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/0..._waiting_game/
>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:53:41 -0700,
"NjNjnUiop&*()*&&*()(*&)HUIOHIUHOIHHIUHUIOIUHIUHOI UHUIHOIUHIOUHFTUYFUTYUF"
<babba08@telus.net> wrote:

>Comment Vista is a step forward in security, but many businesses will
>be stuck with Windows XP for years to come, due to the cost of
>upgrading, the value of existing assets, and compatibility issues that
>trump security features.
>
>As I write this, Microsoft is launching the consumer version of Vista
>in New York, apparently with dancers in tights scaling the side of an
>office building to form a human billboard. It sounds like the
>highlight of the launch, which reads in many news reports as a real
>yawner. It's too bad in a way, because Vista's security architecture
>makes it a much better product. But there aren't too many consumers
>lined up to buy Vista.
>
> It's unfortunate that some of the useful features like full disk
>encryption (BitLocker), license transferability, and support inside
>virtual machines aren't enabled in the consumer (OEM) version of
>Vista, but that's a renewed discussion for another time.
>
>I think Vista is a great advancement in safety and security for
>consumers, but most of those folks don't know what the real
>differences are. Consumers will just end up with Vista (or perhaps OS
>X, or even the long shot, Linux) the next time they buy a computer.
>They'll still need anti-virus, anti-spyware...

Why? The only Linux and Mac viruses are poc's and anyone who buys
Bloaton AV for Mac has more money than sense. Likewise Linux although
there is free, open source AV for when it is serving to Windows boxes.

Hang on...are you trolling?