Hi, Robin

Thank you for your details, which help me a lot.

I am not aware of SUPERAntispyware v4, but have tried its free edition
v3.9.1008. The latter scanning takes long to complete, even its fast scan.
This makes me change to Spyware Terminator v2.0.1.224, which meets my
requirements. I assume your SUPERAntispyware Pro is a paid version and
should work better than a free edition. It seems to me that money matters.

Regards.

Andrew


"Robinb" wrote:

> Ken is correct,
> If there was a program that got rid of all spyware well then there would be
> no reason for more, but humans create programs and a lot of the time not
> every program can "catch" the "baddies" at the same time or cannot fix a
> problem at the same time.
> That is why you need more than one.
> You should only be running one as a service and on as an application
> otherwise they will conflict with each other.
> You should also have them set on a schedule at different times so that both
> programs are not scanning at the same time- that will cause a major conflict
> and most likely make one or both the programs crash or even the OS.
> I cannot understand why you do not like Superantispyware. I use it and now
> the company is coming out with version 4.0 which runs much faster than ever
> before. I am beta testing the pro and free version now. In Vista right now
> and that will change with the final release, it still acts for rights for
> its update engine but as I said this will be fixed in the final release.
> I like Superantispyware because it gets into the nitty gritty of Vista and
> XP and finds the hidden files that most antispyware programs do not.
> I use the Pro for the resident shield (this runs as an application) and to
> be able to set a timed schedule. With the free you need to do manual scans,
> but they both do exactly the same thing except for the reason I just gave
> you.
> Windows Defender runs as a service not an application. I have been beta
> testing WD since its conception on XP before Vista came out. You can see me
> in the newsgroup for WD.
> Windows Defender has no problems with any of the antispyware programs out
> there that I know of.
> It runs with AVG antispyware, Ad-aware 2007, Superantispyware,
> Spywareblaster, Spybot Search and destroy. (in Spybot search and destroy it
> just doesn't play nice with tea timer so you would have to just not install
> the tea timer)
>
> I use:
> Superantispyware Pro
> Windows Defender
> Spybot Search and Destroy
> Spywareblaster
>
> I personally do not use adaware-2007. AdawareSE was an excellant product
> but the 2007 is very funky on xp and on vista and I do not like its user
> interphase nor how it works. It has many bugs.
> But AdawareSE is fased out so you cannot use it anymore because you cannot
> get updates for it anymore.
>
> Also you can only install one antivirus program. If you do more they will
> surely fight with each other because they both load up on boot up and you
> might find you will not- one day.
>
> robin
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:rrmmp3h7idkn4ta6auom2if000bgnigf8n@4ax.com...

> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:33:00 -0800, A. Chung
> > <AChung@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >

> >> I am running Spyware Terminator 2.0.1.224 on my home PC after trying
> >> SUPERAntispyware and AVG Anti-Spyware. The latter are considered not to
> >> my
> >> satisfaction, in particular to the scanning speed.

> >
> >
> >
> > I take it from the above that you are running *only* Spyware
> > Terminator. If that's the case, you are not adequately protected. You
> > need more than one anti-spyware program. Note what Eric Howes, who has
> > done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware products, states:
> >
> > "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the
> > best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one
> > quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries"
> >
> > See http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>
>
>

the difference between the Pro and the free is only that it runs in real
time and you can schedule scans and it has a few more tweaks you can do but
that is about it, and in this case it is more convienance than money because
the pro and free scan the exact same things.
I like the pro because i do not have to remember to do a scan, I can set it
up to do it. If it finds stuff you still need user intervention to complete
the process or you can let it quaranteen everything without you looking at
what is there. I like to know what it is quarantining just in case it takes
out something I really need in a legitimate program.

On the superantispyware forum you can get tech support for both free and pro
http://forums.superantispyware.com/
3.9 does take a bit longer to scan but 4.0 in a quick scan is much better.
Most antispyware programs when doing a full scan can take up to an hour
depending how big your HD is. The bigger the HD the longer the scans.
If you already trialed an older version of the pro you cannot trial this new
version. You will have to purchase it but you can try the free one and see
if you like it and always purchase the pro right from the program.
If you are concerned about about Superantispyware asking for permisson to do
its update from Vista, wait until the final is out because that will be
fixed in the final but again it is an excellant program.

robin
"A. Chung" <AChung@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BAF21F85-DEE9-466D-BFB5-18AC1CFC69D4@microsoft.com...

> Hi, Robin
>
> Thank you for your details, which help me a lot.
>
> I am not aware of SUPERAntispyware v4, but have tried its free edition
> v3.9.1008. The latter scanning takes long to complete, even its fast
> scan.
> This makes me change to Spyware Terminator v2.0.1.224, which meets my
> requirements. I assume your SUPERAntispyware Pro is a paid version and
> should work better than a free edition. It seems to me that money
> matters.
>
> Regards.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> "Robinb" wrote:
>

>> Ken is correct,
>> If there was a program that got rid of all spyware well then there would
>> be
>> no reason for more, but humans create programs and a lot of the time not
>> every program can "catch" the "baddies" at the same time or cannot fix a
>> problem at the same time.
>> That is why you need more than one.
>> You should only be running one as a service and on as an application
>> otherwise they will conflict with each other.
>> You should also have them set on a schedule at different times so that
>> both
>> programs are not scanning at the same time- that will cause a major
>> conflict
>> and most likely make one or both the programs crash or even the OS.
>> I cannot understand why you do not like Superantispyware. I use it and
>> now
>> the company is coming out with version 4.0 which runs much faster than
>> ever
>> before. I am beta testing the pro and free version now. In Vista right
>> now
>> and that will change with the final release, it still acts for rights for
>> its update engine but as I said this will be fixed in the final release.
>> I like Superantispyware because it gets into the nitty gritty of Vista
>> and
>> XP and finds the hidden files that most antispyware programs do not.
>> I use the Pro for the resident shield (this runs as an application) and
>> to
>> be able to set a timed schedule. With the free you need to do manual
>> scans,
>> but they both do exactly the same thing except for the reason I just gave
>> you.
>> Windows Defender runs as a service not an application. I have been beta
>> testing WD since its conception on XP before Vista came out. You can see
>> me
>> in the newsgroup for WD.
>> Windows Defender has no problems with any of the antispyware programs out
>> there that I know of.
>> It runs with AVG antispyware, Ad-aware 2007, Superantispyware,
>> Spywareblaster, Spybot Search and destroy. (in Spybot search and destroy
>> it
>> just doesn't play nice with tea timer so you would have to just not
>> install
>> the tea timer)
>>
>> I use:
>> Superantispyware Pro
>> Windows Defender
>> Spybot Search and Destroy
>> Spywareblaster
>>
>> I personally do not use adaware-2007. AdawareSE was an excellant product
>> but the 2007 is very funky on xp and on vista and I do not like its user
>> interphase nor how it works. It has many bugs.
>> But AdawareSE is fased out so you cannot use it anymore because you
>> cannot
>> get updates for it anymore.
>>
>> Also you can only install one antivirus program. If you do more they
>> will
>> surely fight with each other because they both load up on boot up and you
>> might find you will not- one day.
>>
>> robin
>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>> news:rrmmp3h7idkn4ta6auom2if000bgnigf8n@4ax.com...

>> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:33:00 -0800, A. Chung
>> > <AChung@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> I am running Spyware Terminator 2.0.1.224 on my home PC after trying
>> >> SUPERAntispyware and AVG Anti-Spyware. The latter are considered not
>> >> to
>> >> my
>> >> satisfaction, in particular to the scanning speed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I take it from the above that you are running *only* Spyware
>> > Terminator. If that's the case, you are not adequately protected. You
>> > need more than one anti-spyware program. Note what Eric Howes, who has
>> > done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware products, states:
>> >
>> > "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the
>> > best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one
>> > quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries"
>> >
>> > See http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>
>>
>>

also for an fyi- i was a bit incorrect and checked this out
the final will be out soon and the issue with the permissons of allowing
superantispyware update will be fixed in 4.1 which will be released AFTER
the final of 4.0 goes out -They have some other Vista items that will be
addressed in 4.1 which will be likely a month or so after 4.0 ships - They
can only pack so much into each release and want to be able to properly test
the Vista stuff.

Other than that as said I am now beta testing the pre release for vista and
see no problems with this.
To get around it now all you need to do is uncheck in the preferences- check
for updates on startup and you will not see this issue.

robin
"Robinb" <robin@discussion> wrote in message
news:%23Gfw6fpYIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> the difference between the Pro and the free is only that it runs in real
> time and you can schedule scans and it has a few more tweaks you can do
> but that is about it, and in this case it is more convienance than money
> because the pro and free scan the exact same things.
> I like the pro because i do not have to remember to do a scan, I can set
> it up to do it. If it finds stuff you still need user intervention to
> complete the process or you can let it quaranteen everything without you
> looking at what is there. I like to know what it is quarantining just in
> case it takes out something I really need in a legitimate program.
>
> On the superantispyware forum you can get tech support for both free and
> pro
> http://forums.superantispyware.com/
> 3.9 does take a bit longer to scan but 4.0 in a quick scan is much better.
> Most antispyware programs when doing a full scan can take up to an hour
> depending how big your HD is. The bigger the HD the longer the scans.
> If you already trialed an older version of the pro you cannot trial this
> new version. You will have to purchase it but you can try the free one
> and see if you like it and always purchase the pro right from the program.
> If you are concerned about about Superantispyware asking for permisson to
> do its update from Vista, wait until the final is out because that will be
> fixed in the final but again it is an excellant program.
>
> robin
> "A. Chung" <AChung@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BAF21F85-DEE9-466D-BFB5-18AC1CFC69D4@microsoft.com...

>> Hi, Robin
>>
>> Thank you for your details, which help me a lot.
>>
>> I am not aware of SUPERAntispyware v4, but have tried its free edition
>> v3.9.1008. The latter scanning takes long to complete, even its fast
>> scan.
>> This makes me change to Spyware Terminator v2.0.1.224, which meets my
>> requirements. I assume your SUPERAntispyware Pro is a paid version and
>> should work better than a free edition. It seems to me that money
>> matters.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> "Robinb" wrote:
>>

>>> Ken is correct,
>>> If there was a program that got rid of all spyware well then there would
>>> be
>>> no reason for more, but humans create programs and a lot of the time not
>>> every program can "catch" the "baddies" at the same time or cannot fix a
>>> problem at the same time.
>>> That is why you need more than one.
>>> You should only be running one as a service and on as an application
>>> otherwise they will conflict with each other.
>>> You should also have them set on a schedule at different times so that
>>> both
>>> programs are not scanning at the same time- that will cause a major
>>> conflict
>>> and most likely make one or both the programs crash or even the OS.
>>> I cannot understand why you do not like Superantispyware. I use it and
>>> now
>>> the company is coming out with version 4.0 which runs much faster than
>>> ever
>>> before. I am beta testing the pro and free version now. In Vista right
>>> now
>>> and that will change with the final release, it still acts for rights
>>> for
>>> its update engine but as I said this will be fixed in the final release.
>>> I like Superantispyware because it gets into the nitty gritty of Vista
>>> and
>>> XP and finds the hidden files that most antispyware programs do not.
>>> I use the Pro for the resident shield (this runs as an application) and
>>> to
>>> be able to set a timed schedule. With the free you need to do manual
>>> scans,
>>> but they both do exactly the same thing except for the reason I just
>>> gave
>>> you.
>>> Windows Defender runs as a service not an application. I have been beta
>>> testing WD since its conception on XP before Vista came out. You can
>>> see me
>>> in the newsgroup for WD.
>>> Windows Defender has no problems with any of the antispyware programs
>>> out
>>> there that I know of.
>>> It runs with AVG antispyware, Ad-aware 2007, Superantispyware,
>>> Spywareblaster, Spybot Search and destroy. (in Spybot search and
>>> destroy it
>>> just doesn't play nice with tea timer so you would have to just not
>>> install
>>> the tea timer)
>>>
>>> I use:
>>> Superantispyware Pro
>>> Windows Defender
>>> Spybot Search and Destroy
>>> Spywareblaster
>>>
>>> I personally do not use adaware-2007. AdawareSE was an excellant
>>> product
>>> but the 2007 is very funky on xp and on vista and I do not like its user
>>> interphase nor how it works. It has many bugs.
>>> But AdawareSE is fased out so you cannot use it anymore because you
>>> cannot
>>> get updates for it anymore.
>>>
>>> Also you can only install one antivirus program. If you do more they
>>> will
>>> surely fight with each other because they both load up on boot up and
>>> you
>>> might find you will not- one day.
>>>
>>> robin
>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>>> news:rrmmp3h7idkn4ta6auom2if000bgnigf8n@4ax.com...
>>> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:33:00 -0800, A. Chung
>>> > <AChung@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> I am running Spyware Terminator 2.0.1.224 on my home PC after trying
>>> >> SUPERAntispyware and AVG Anti-Spyware. The latter are considered not
>>> >> to
>>> >> my
>>> >> satisfaction, in particular to the scanning speed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I take it from the above that you are running *only* Spyware
>>> > Terminator. If that's the case, you are not adequately protected. You
>>> > need more than one anti-spyware program. Note what Eric Howes, who has
>>> > done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware products, states:
>>> >
>>> > "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the
>>> > best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one
>>> > quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries"
>>> >
>>> > See http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>>> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>

Hii people!!!
Right now,all of a sudden,windows warned me that windows defender was
disabled. But I hadn't done anything.
Can anyone explain me what it is??

Do you use Windows Defender? If so, open the security center and turn it
back on.

"Gui.." wrote:

> Hii people!!!
> Right now,all of a sudden,windows warned me that windows defender was
> disabled. But I hadn't done anything.
> Can anyone explain me what it is??

"Gui.." <Gui@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8708EDCC-F30C-44BA-B8F7-0E72E35DC5DA@microsoft.com...

> Hii people!!!
> Right now,all of a sudden,windows warned me that windows defender was
> disabled. But I hadn't done anything.
> Can anyone explain me what it is??

Have you added any third party security software, such as a security
suite? Some programs, including Windows Live One Care, will disable Windows
Defender.
If not, simply turn it back on. You can then go into Tools, Options and
make sure it is set to run at startup. You can also go into Tools, Software
Explorer and make sure it is not disabled.

C.B.


--
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
and unfortunate among us.

"C.B." wrote:

>
>
> "Gui.." <Gui@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8708EDCC-F30C-44BA-B8F7-0E72E35DC5DA@microsoft.com...

> > Hii people!!!
> > Right now,all of a sudden,windows warned me that windows defender was
> > disabled. But I hadn't done anything.
> > Can anyone explain me what it is??

>
> Have you added any third party security software, such as a security
> suite? Some programs, including Windows Live One Care, will disable Windows
> Defender.
> If not, simply turn it back on. You can then go into Tools, Options and
> make sure it is set to run at startup. You can also go into Tools, Software
> Explorer and make sure it is not disabled.
>
> C.B.
>
>
> --
> It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
> and unfortunate among us.
>

Hi CB..thanks!
But..I'd already tried to turn it back on, but when I do it windows tell me
it can't be activated at that moment and tell me to try againg later...then I
have to click on hiperlink of windows defender on the left panel of the
security central and then windows defender window opens up and windows
defender turns automatically on suddenly..hehee

Is Windows Defender supposed to be disabled if one has, say, NIS or KIS
installed?

If so, how does one disable Windows Defender?
Or, is it necessary only to change certain settings?

Why do you wish to disable it?
Provided any scheduled scanning doesn't coincide with your AV scanning it
should be fine.

"Howard Kaikow" <kaikow@standards.com> wrote in message
news:uXZj6Is2IHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Is Windows Defender supposed to be disabled if one has, say, NIS or KIS
> installed?
>
> If so, how does one disable Windows Defender?
> Or, is it necessary only to change certain settings?
>
>

"DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
news:OftDDGt2IHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Why do you wish to disable it?
> Provided any scheduled scanning doesn't coincide with your AV scanning it
> should be fine.

Turns out that WD is disabled.

NIS 2008 install must have done that.

I NEVER schedule AV scans.
Only run manually.