Windows Defender vs Live One Care

Windows Defender is NOT an anti-virus program (it is an anti-spyware program).
You also have Windows Firewall, but you DO need an anti-virus program (Avast and
AVG are free anti-virus programs).


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"Licmy" <Licmy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Do I really need a secoundary security system? I already have Windows
> Defender.
> --
> Dave

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:31:07 -0800, Licmy
<Licmy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Do I really need a secoundary security system? I already have Windows Defender.

Is that all you have?

You need three kinds of software for protection:

1. An anti-virus program

2. Two or more anti-spyware programs

3. A firewall program.

Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program. You still need software
of the other two types, and you should also run at least one other
anti-spyware program. A single one is not good enough.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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As others have said, you need more. Let me chime in with my recent
experience in this area.

I purchased a Toshiba laptop with McAfee Internet Security Suite pre-loaded.
It appeared to operate well,
so I upgraded to a 1-year license. Big mistake. Shortly after I upgraded
(doncha know), Vista HP started
blue-screening at startup. Recently, Vista's post-debacle self-appraisal
identified McAfee's realtime Virus
Scanner as the culprit. There is no known fix for this from McAfee. When I
went to McAfee's site to obtain
support, the site attempted to install some 3rd-party chat client which made
a lot of noise and did NOTHING.
No client, no changes, no nothing. I know what to expect; I have used
Symantec's chat client repeatedly to good
effect (although I wouldn't recommend Ghost 12.0 to my worst enemy).

Today, I yanked McAfee. I am currently appraising the Bitdefender 2008
Internet Security Suite 30-day free trial. So far I've noticed this: Vista
boots A LOT FASTER with BitDefender than with McAfee and BitDefender's
post-virus-scan log is a lot more detailed.

Black humor sidebar: I can just imagine McAfee tripping Vista into a blue
screen as it stands in the way trying to scan various Vista modules as
they're being loaded.

What a joke. Do the research. McAfee's FORMER clients are about two bits
short of a class-action lawsuit.

"Licmy" <Licmy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:816C7007-04E2-4899-9EF0-55CCBBF0C554@microsoft.com...

> Do I really need a secoundary security system? I already have Windows
> Defender.
> --
> Dave

I've used McAfee with Vista from day one. I have never had any problem what
so ever, I think you are experiencing a hardware configuration issue. After
all, any giving software program can't be expected to work 100% with all the
possible computer configurations that are out there in the world, you know
what I mean.


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"Tooloose LaBlech" <yearight@biteme.net> wrote in message
news:3379EC93-A253-4BCA-99DB-E37F5B771E42@microsoft.com...

> As others have said, you need more. Let me chime in with my recent
> experience in this area.
>
> I purchased a Toshiba laptop with McAfee Internet Security Suite
> pre-loaded. It appeared to operate well,
> so I upgraded to a 1-year license. Big mistake. Shortly after I upgraded
> (doncha know), Vista HP started
> blue-screening at startup. Recently, Vista's post-debacle self-appraisal
> identified McAfee's realtime Virus
> Scanner as the culprit. There is no known fix for this from McAfee. When I
> went to McAfee's site to obtain
> support, the site attempted to install some 3rd-party chat client which
> made a lot of noise and did NOTHING.
> No client, no changes, no nothing. I know what to expect; I have used
> Symantec's chat client repeatedly to good
> effect (although I wouldn't recommend Ghost 12.0 to my worst enemy).
>
> Today, I yanked McAfee. I am currently appraising the Bitdefender 2008
> Internet Security Suite 30-day free trial. So far I've noticed this: Vista
> boots A LOT FASTER with BitDefender than with McAfee and BitDefender's
> post-virus-scan log is a lot more detailed.
>
> Black humor sidebar: I can just imagine McAfee tripping Vista into a blue
> screen as it stands in the way trying to scan various Vista modules as
> they're being loaded.
>
> What a joke. Do the research. McAfee's FORMER clients are about two bits
> short of a class-action lawsuit.
>
> "Licmy" <Licmy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:816C7007-04E2-4899-9EF0-55CCBBF0C554@microsoft.com...

>> Do I really need a secoundary security system? I already have Windows
>> Defender.
>> --
>> Dave

>

What other spyware program do you recommend?

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:gbe9l3tnn9k4eb4n1q422bj3c3qen8ofde@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:31:07 -0800, Licmy
> <Licmy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>

>> Do I really need a secoundary security system? I already have Windows
>> Defender.

>
>
>
> Is that all you have?
>
> You need three kinds of software for protection:
>
> 1. An anti-virus program
>
> 2. Two or more anti-spyware programs
>
> 3. A firewall program.
>
> Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program. You still need software
> of the other two types, and you should also run at least one other
> anti-spyware program. A single one is not good enough.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:31:07 -0800, Licmy
<Licmy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Do I really need a secoundary security system? I already have Windows Defender.

You don't need any security *system*. What you need is a security
*concept*.

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:22:37 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:31:07 -0800, Licmy
><Licmy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>

>> Do I really need a secoundary security system? I already have Windows Defender.

>
>
>
>Is that all you have?
>
>You need three kinds of software for protection:
>
>1. An anti-virus program
>
>2. Two or more anti-spyware programs
>
>3. A firewall program.
>
>Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program. You still need software
>of the other two types, and you should also run at least one other
>anti-spyware program. A single one is not good enough.

What utter nonsense.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:18:05 -0800, "Dave Harris" <dlh7@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> What other spyware program do you recommend?

I use

Spybot Search and Destroy
Adaware
Spyware Blaster
Windows Defender
Super Antispyware

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:gbe9l3tnn9k4eb4n1q422bj3c3qen8ofde@4ax.com...

> > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:31:07 -0800, Licmy
> > <Licmy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >

> >> Do I really need a secoundary security system? I already have Windows
> >> Defender.

> >
> >
> >
> > Is that all you have?
> >
> > You need three kinds of software for protection:
> >
> > 1. An anti-virus program
> >
> > 2. Two or more anti-spyware programs
> >
> > 3. A firewall program.
> >
> > Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program. You still need software
> > of the other two types, and you should also run at least one other
> > anti-spyware program. A single one is not good enough.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

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