Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall (?!)

Posted: 03-24-2009, 09:38 PM
I perform manual Windows-Update sessions on a particular system with
XP sp2.

Last fall, when Micro$haft came out with a WGA update, I hid that update
so I wouldn't see it again.

The last time I performed an update check was on March 9 or 10. No
issues with that update session.

Today, I performed another update check, and low and behold Microsoft is
offering Windows Genuine disAdvantage to me. What? I told Windoze
Updates to hide that piece of shit spycode. Again I select "hide this
update". There are 4 other updates, and I select and install them.

I check the list of updates I've chosen to hide. I'm expecting to see 2
entries for WGA. But instead I only see one. It's KB905474.

So I assume that Milkro$oft has corrupted it's own "hide this update"
settings by foisting this WGA update upon me. Is this Macro$haft's way
of getting WGA onto systems that are set to auto-update and that have
otherwise hidden or ignored that update in the past?

Is this a known issue? Am I the first to observe it?

Are we ready for the avalanche of users that will being posting their
WGA problems?

Is there some registry key that I can set that will insure that WGA
never gets installed regardless of what games Micro$lap plays with
windowsupdate?

Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall (?!)


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Re: Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall(?!)
Posted: 03-25-2009, 12:31 PM
On 03/24/2009 02:38 PM, XP Guy sent:
> I perform manual Windows-Update sessions on a particular system with
> XP sp2.
>
> Last fall, when Micro$haft came out with a WGA update, I hid that update
> so I wouldn't see it again.
>
> The last time I performed an update check was on March 9 or 10. No
> issues with that update session.
>
> Today, I performed another update check, and low and behold Microsoft is
> offering Windows Genuine disAdvantage to me. What? I told Windoze
> Updates to hide that piece of shit spycode. Again I select "hide this
> update". There are 4 other updates, and I select and install them.
>
> I check the list of updates I've chosen to hide. I'm expecting to see 2
> entries for WGA. But instead I only see one. It's KB905474.
>
> So I assume that Milkro$oft has corrupted it's own "hide this update"
> settings by foisting this WGA update upon me. Is this Macro$haft's way
> of getting WGA onto systems that are set to auto-update and that have
> otherwise hidden or ignored that update in the past?
>
> Is this a known issue? Am I the first to observe it?
>
> Are we ready for the avalanche of users that will being posting their
> WGA problems?
>
> Is there some registry key that I can set that will insure that WGA
> never gets installed regardless of what games Micro$lap plays with
> windowsupdate?
On an otherwise well working system, you have little to fear from WGA.
I really can understand your initial suspicions regarding WGA when it
first came on scene. However, those initial problems have been addressed.

However, if you believe that your OS is not quite legal, that's another
situation.

BTW - you really should bring your system up to SP3. SP3 is also a good
thing.

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Re: Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall(?!)
Posted: 03-25-2009, 02:26 PM
1PW wrote:
> > Today, I performed another update check, and low and behold
> > Microsoft is offering Windows Genuine disAdvantage to me.
> > What? I told Windoze Updates to hide that piece of shit
> > spycode.
> > Is this a known issue? Am I the first to observe it?
>
> On an otherwise well working system, you have little to fear
> from WGA.
That's not the point.

Microsoft deployed a "hide this update" mechanism in windows update.

I have experienced an occurrance of that mechanism not working and I'm
describing it here.

Microsoft defines WGA as a "critical" update or a "security" update. It
is neither.

WGA can cause serious system stability problems and I have chosen to NOT
install it on this system and I have chosen to HIDE it from all future
windowsupdate sessions.

If I am being accused of being idiosyncratic or eccentric for NOT
wanting to install it, then by rights Microsoft can and should be
accused of being idiosyncratic (if not worse) for trying to PUSH it on
me in a way that breaks their own "hide update" mechanism.
> BTW - you really should bring your system up to SP3. SP3 is also
> a good thing.
I have asked and have done research into the differences between a
system with a fully patched and up-to-date SP2 installation and one with
a fully-patched and up-to-date SP3 installation and have found pretty
much nothing.

Please tell how a fully patched and up-to-date SP3 system differs from
that of a fully-patched and up-to-date SP2 system. What extra
capabilities will the SP3 system have? What system vulnerabilities will
the SP2 system have that the SP3 system will not have?
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Re: Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall(?!)
Posted: 03-25-2009, 08:25 PM
On 03/25/2009 07:26 AM, XP Guy sent:
> 1PW wrote:
>
>>> Today, I performed another update check, and low and behold
>>> Microsoft is offering Windows Genuine disAdvantage to me.
>>> What? I told Windoze Updates to hide that piece of shit
>>> spycode.
>
>>> Is this a known issue? Am I the first to observe it?
>> On an otherwise well working system, you have little to fear
>> from WGA.
>
> That's not the point.
>
> Microsoft deployed a "hide this update" mechanism in windows update.
>
> I have experienced an occurrence of that mechanism not working and I'm
> describing it here.
>
> Microsoft defines WGA as a "critical" update or a "security" update. It
> is neither.
>
> WGA can cause serious system stability problems and I have chosen to NOT
> install it on this system and I have chosen to HIDE it from all future
> windows update sessions.
>
> If I am being accused of being idiosyncratic or eccentric for NOT
> wanting to install it, then by rights Microsoft can and should be
> accused of being idiosyncratic (if not worse) for trying to PUSH it on
> me in a way that breaks their own "hide update" mechanism.
In a well cared for system, you will have nothing to fear. The time for
raging at WGA has passed. I shared your outrage then. Now I must move
on. When you have more than a few systems to care for, you cleanse
those systems the best you can and tend to the more important things.
>
>> BTW - you really should bring your system up to SP3. SP3 is also
>> a good thing.
>
> I have asked and have done research into the differences between a
> system with a fully patched and up-to-date SP2 installation and one with
> a fully-patched and up-to-date SP3 installation and have found pretty
> much nothing.
>
> Please tell how a fully patched and up-to-date SP3 system differs from
> that of a fully-patched and up-to-date SP2 system. What extra
> capabilities will the SP3 system have? What system vulnerabilities will
> the SP2 system have that the SP3 system will not have?
It's not /usually/ the primary intent of a service pack to render
additional capabilities. However, SP3 provides better networking (NAP)
and system administration & security. Of course these may not be
important to you.

The day after your support runs out for SP2, you will need to determine
how to best support your now expired system(s). I'd call that a
vulnerability. There are just too many other things that will need
support and attention.

Again, on a properly cared for system, SP2 > Sp3 won't harm the OS.

I've been where you are now. I had to move on. My best wishes for you.

Pete
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Re: Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall(?!)
Posted: 03-26-2009, 04:17 AM
1PW wrote:
> In a well cared for system, you will have nothing to fear.
From what I've read, many people with a "well cared for" system (and a
legit product key) got fucked over by WGA, some to the point that their
only recourse was to buy another license.
> The time for raging at WGA has passed. I shared your outrage then.
Every time that Micro$hit escalates WGA, they bring back the rage.
> When you have more than a few systems to care for, you cleanse
> those systems the best you can and tend to the more important
> things.
Cleanse?

What are you talking about?

You give your machines an enema?
> > Please tell how a fully patched and up-to-date SP3 system
> > differs from that of a fully-patched and up-to-date SP2 system.
> However, SP3 provides better networking (NAP) and system
> administration & security. Of course these may not be
> important to you.
They are not. I think I looked at NAP, but I forget what the hell that
was.
> The day after your support runs out for SP2, you will need to
> determine how to best support your now expired system(s).
For how much longer will XP be supported - period? I thought it was 10
years after it was introduced - making it the fall of 2011. When is the
technical end-support date for SP2 vs SP3?
> I'd call that a vulnerability.
That's why my main systems are still running win-98.
> Again, on a properly cared for system, SP2 > Sp3 won't harm
> the OS.
I just never understood what SP3 was supposed to do. If you're doing a
new install, then sure go with SP3 (has microsoft put a rolled-up
version of SP3 on the system-builder version of the XP cd)?

But when it comes to an existing system, again I fail to see how SP3
isin't just a set of IE and other rollups that you've already applied to
an existing SP2 machine when performing routine windoze updates.
> I've been where you are now. I had to move on.
> My best wishes for you.
Ok, see ya later Obiwan.
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Re: Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall(?!)
Posted: 03-26-2009, 05:53 AM
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:17:26 -0400, XP Guy <XP@Guy.com> wrote:
>> In a well cared for system, you will have nothing to fear.
>
>From what I've read, many people with a "well cared for" system (and a
>legit product key) got fucked over by WGA, some to the point that their
>only recourse was to buy another license.
Your reading has been frightfully limited to the wrong material.

[snip]

>For how much longer will XP be supported - period? I thought it was 10
>years after it was introduced - making it the fall of 2011. When is the
>technical end-support date for SP2 vs SP3?
Official free support for XP ends next month.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2365
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Re: Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall(?!)
Posted: 03-26-2009, 08:51 AM
On 03/25/2009 09:17 PM, XP Guy sent:
> 1PW wrote:
>
>> In a well cared for system, you will have nothing to fear.
>
> From what I've read, many people with a "well cared for" system (and a
> legit product key) got fucked over by WGA, some to the point that their
> only recourse was to buy another license.
Then, those systems had been in some way(s) corrupted or incomplete.
>> The time for raging at WGA has passed. I shared your outrage then.
>
> Every time that Micro$hit escalates WGA, they bring back the rage.
Have you considered a popular Linux based system? A different set of
problems. But, no Microsoft influences like you are at odds with.
>
>> When you have more than a few systems to care for, you cleanse
>> those systems the best you can and tend to the more important
>> things.
>
> Cleanse?
>
> What are you talking about?
>
> You give your machines an enema?
Using all good tools and utilities, you perform all due diligence to
insure an uncorrupted, complete, and up to date system.
>
>>> Please tell how a fully patched and up-to-date SP3 system
>>> differs from that of a fully-patched and up-to-date SP2 system.
>
>> However, SP3 provides better networking (NAP) and system
>> administration & security. Of course these may not be
>> important to you.
>
> They are not. I think I looked at NAP, but I forget what the hell that
> was.
If you don't have a need to network with other nearby computers, then
you probably would benefit.

Then you might benefit from the security (encryption) and administration
improvements and better help files.
>
>> The day after your support runs out for SP2, you will need to
>> determine how to best support your now expired system(s).
>
> For how much longer will XP be supported - period?
Different types of "Support" come in different flavors:

SP2: Your compatibility and installation support has run out.
SP3: Your compatibility and installation support runs out 14-APR-2009.

Receiving automatic Windows updates is a whole other issue.

I thought it was 10
> years after it was introduced - making it the fall of 2011. When is the
> technical end-support date for SP2 vs SP3?
>
>> I'd call that a vulnerability.
>
> That's why my main systems are still running win-98.
I agree. If that works for you, that's marvelous! W98SE is seldom
picked on by malware authors. Still - watch out for Conficker. You are
/not/ immune.
>
>> Again, on a properly cared for system, SP2 > Sp3 won't harm
>> the OS.
>
> I just never understood what SP3 was supposed to do. If you're doing a
> new install, then sure go with SP3 (has microsoft put a rolled-up
> version of SP3 on the system-builder version of the XP cd)?
Improper SP3 "slip streaming" can lead to a worthless system.
>
> But when it comes to an existing system, again I fail to see how SP3
> isn't just a set of IE and other rollups that you've already applied to
> an existing SP2 machine when performing routine windoze updates.
Your IE would be unaffected. If you had IE6, you keep IE6. However,
many would have you abandon IE for other browsers.
>
>> I've been where you are now. I had to move on.
>> My best wishes for you.
>
> Ok, see ya later Obiwan.
The Force will be with you, always. --Obi-Wan

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Re: Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall(?!)
Posted: 03-26-2009, 01:14 PM
Jonathan Harker wrote:
> > For how much longer will XP be supported - period?
>
> Official free support for XP ends next month.
That type of support is irrelavent for most people. If you haven't
noticed, when people have issues or problems with XP, they find a forum
to post it in. Nobody I know or work with has have contacted Microsoft
for help or support for any OS.

It's the hotfixes and critical or security patches that are the issue
(the stuff that's pushed out by WindowsUpdates).

That end-date is still years away, and using SP2 doesn't influence your
access to those updates.
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Re: Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall(?!)
Posted: 03-26-2009, 01:32 PM
1PW wrote:
> > I think I looked at NAP, but I forget what the hell that was.
>
> If you don't have a need to network with other nearby computers,
> then you probably would benefit.
If I *don't* have any networked machines, then I *would* benefit from
NAP?

I don't get it.
> Then you might benefit from the security (encryption) and
> administration improvements and better help files.
We have 2 NT4 servers that just keep running week after week, month
after month. I rarely touch them.

We have 3 developers with their own machines that they "administer"
themselves. There's 2 or 3 shared servers that they also use.

There is really no machine in our shop that you can say is being
"administered" by anyone. The concept of administration is some-what a
foreign concept for us. We don't have the need, or the time, for that
sort of shit. We have 1/2 dozen office systems running win-98, and 2 or
3 other systems running XP.
> Different types of "Support" come in different flavors:
Most of which is irrelavent for most people. As I've said in my
previous post, nobody in our shop has ever contacted Micro$oft for any
support.

The deal-breaker for most people has always been -> when will
internet-based security vulnerabilities stop being patched.
> Receiving automatic Windows updates is a whole other issue.
And for most people it's the *only* issue.

People will always continue to look at on-line forums for support. I
bet there is more "support" for win-98, 2K, and XP being delivered by
web forums and usenet than has ever been provided telephonically or via
e-mail directly from Microsoft.
> I agree. If that works for you, that's marvelous! W98SE is
> seldom picked on by malware authors. Still - watch out for
> Conficker. You are /not/ immune.
What exploit does conflicker use to trigger a system to download the
real payload?

Many exploits (buffer over-runs for example) don't work (or don't work
"properly") on win-98. The recent .PDF exploits triggered within
Acrobat don't work on win-98 (I've tested them).
> > (has microsoft put a rolled-up version of SP3 on the system-
> > builder version of the XP cd)?
>
> Improper SP3 "slip streaming" can lead to a worthless system.
My question was regarding Microsoft's own product (XP-pro, OEM,
SystemBuilder edition) which I've bought in the past, and for which the
last version was the SP2 version (SP2 slip-streamed). I'm asking if
their latest (and probably last) version of SystemBuilder OEM (which I
believe they are still selling until July 2009) has been changed to SP3.
> Your IE would be unaffected. If you had IE6, you keep IE6.
> However, many would have you abandon IE for other browsers.
The system I have in mind does indeed still have IE6, but I'm under the
impression that IE7 can be installed regardless if you have SP2 or SP3.
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Re: Windows Updates is showing WGA even though I hid WGA last fall (?!)
Posted: 03-26-2009, 01:39 PM
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