Wireless network connection lost frequently...

> This could well be an issue with your router. Differences in the networking
> stack between XP and Vista have exposed a lot of router bugs which were
> hitherto hidden.
>
> Vista uses UPnP much more heavily than XP ever did, and we've found that a
> lot of routers have suboptimal UPnP implementations, causing them to crash.
>
> 1. Does this happen on both a wired connection to the router AND a wireless
> connection?
>
> 2. when Vista "loses" connection, does it come back automatically, or do you
> have to reboot your router? Do the other xp machines also lose
> connectivity?
>
> 3. If ONLY the vista machine loses connectivity, then there is an issue with
> your vista machine. Make sure your drivers are all up to date. If
> wireless, make sure you have the latest drivers for your card. Go to
> linksys' website and verifiy that what you've got is the latest.
>
> 4. While you're there, make sure you have the latest firmware for your
> router. We found a lot of bugs in router firmware during development, and
> the vendors posted a lot of firmware updates.
>
> 5. Then, try running the router tool at
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx, and see if it
> passes the tests.
>
> If we can narrow the issue down to your router, that is, that when Vista
> loses connectivity ALL the machines (xp too) lose connectivity, then there
> are some things worth trying:
>
> A possible solution worth trying is to turn of UPnP. This can be done on
> the router (you would have to log onto the routers config page, find out
> where it has the UPnP on/off switch, and turn it off) or from the machine
> itself.
>
> You can also try disabling window scaling.
>
> So, please try these out:
>
> 1. Go to the webtool, and when the test is finished, click on the "view
> detailed report" link, and copy that data off & save it.
> 2. turn off UPnP, either on the router or on the vista machine:
> from an elevated command prompt,type the following:
> a. sc config SSDPSRV start= disabled
> b. net stop ssdpsrv <or> reboot the system
> 3. Try your test again. If it still fails after some perioed of time, turn
> off Window Scaling:
> From an elevated command prompt, type the following:
> a. netsh in tcp set gl auto=di
> <no reboot required>
>
> K.
>
> "ogman" <ogman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:32586B0B-CD46-47B7-9193-CA6F591F9AF4@microsoft.com...

> >I have several machines, 2 Windows notebooks, a Mac, and another Windows
> > desktop running XP, that all keep their network connection perfectly. The
> > only machine that drops the connection constantly is the one running
> > Vista.
> > I'm using a Linksys WUSB54GS wireless card and a Linksys WRT54GX router,
> > and
> > this equipment worked fine under XP. The computer itself is more than
> > sufficient to run Vista.
> >
> > Does anyone know why this problem continues? Any suggestions on how to
> > solve
> > it? Please don't tell me to go back to XP, I paid way too much for Vista
> > to
> > not use it.
> >
> > Now, a bit of a rant...why the heck, in the months of beta testing, were
> > problems like this not solved? I have to say that Vista seems very much
> > like
> > a still-in-progress beta, rather than a commercial product. When is this
> > OS
> > going to start coming together?
> >
> > Sorry, but I am just frustrated with the continuing problems with Vista. I
> > feel like I'm part of some unsolicited testing group.

>

> Karl,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I upgraded the firmware and checked that the card
> driver is the most recent. I ran the test you suggested and found that
> UPnP
> was "not supported." As I was going through the router settings, I noticed
> that UPnP was disabled and I enabled it. I ran the test again. The first
> time
> everything except UPnP was good. After enabling UPnP, the test listed
> Network
> Address Translator Type as not supported. On the first test (before
> enabling
> UPnP), "the IGD's NAT type is RESTRICTED CONE." After UPnP is enabled,
> "the
> IGD's NAT type is SYMMETRIC."
>
> My limited understanding of all of this suggests to me that, for now, my
> problems may be solved, since IPv6 is not widely in use. However, I would
> be
> curious to know why turning on the UPnP changed the NAT type?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> "Karl Froelich [MS]" wrote:
>

>> This could well be an issue with your router. Differences in the
>> networking
>> stack between XP and Vista have exposed a lot of router bugs which were
>> hitherto hidden.
>>
>> Vista uses UPnP much more heavily than XP ever did, and we've found that
>> a
>> lot of routers have suboptimal UPnP implementations, causing them to
>> crash.
>>
>> 1. Does this happen on both a wired connection to the router AND a
>> wireless
>> connection?
>>
>> 2. when Vista "loses" connection, does it come back automatically, or do
>> you
>> have to reboot your router? Do the other xp machines also lose
>> connectivity?
>>
>> 3. If ONLY the vista machine loses connectivity, then there is an issue
>> with
>> your vista machine. Make sure your drivers are all up to date. If
>> wireless, make sure you have the latest drivers for your card. Go to
>> linksys' website and verifiy that what you've got is the latest.
>>
>> 4. While you're there, make sure you have the latest firmware for your
>> router. We found a lot of bugs in router firmware during development,
>> and
>> the vendors posted a lot of firmware updates.
>>
>> 5. Then, try running the router tool at
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx, and see if
>> it
>> passes the tests.
>>
>> If we can narrow the issue down to your router, that is, that when Vista
>> loses connectivity ALL the machines (xp too) lose connectivity, then
>> there
>> are some things worth trying:
>>
>> A possible solution worth trying is to turn of UPnP. This can be done on
>> the router (you would have to log onto the routers config page, find out
>> where it has the UPnP on/off switch, and turn it off) or from the
>> machine
>> itself.
>>
>> You can also try disabling window scaling.
>>
>> So, please try these out:
>>
>> 1. Go to the webtool, and when the test is finished, click on the "view
>> detailed report" link, and copy that data off & save it.
>> 2. turn off UPnP, either on the router or on the vista machine:
>> from an elevated command prompt,type the following:
>> a. sc config SSDPSRV start= disabled
>> b. net stop ssdpsrv <or> reboot the system
>> 3. Try your test again. If it still fails after some perioed of time,
>> turn
>> off Window Scaling:
>> From an elevated command prompt, type the following:
>> a. netsh in tcp set gl auto=di
>> <no reboot required>
>>
>> K.
>>
>> "ogman" <ogman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:32586B0B-CD46-47B7-9193-CA6F591F9AF4@microsoft.com...

>> >I have several machines, 2 Windows notebooks, a Mac, and another Windows
>> > desktop running XP, that all keep their network connection perfectly.
>> > The
>> > only machine that drops the connection constantly is the one running
>> > Vista.
>> > I'm using a Linksys WUSB54GS wireless card and a Linksys WRT54GX
>> > router,
>> > and
>> > this equipment worked fine under XP. The computer itself is more than
>> > sufficient to run Vista.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know why this problem continues? Any suggestions on how to
>> > solve
>> > it? Please don't tell me to go back to XP, I paid way too much for
>> > Vista
>> > to
>> > not use it.
>> >
>> > Now, a bit of a rant...why the heck, in the months of beta testing,
>> > were
>> > problems like this not solved? I have to say that Vista seems very much
>> > like
>> > a still-in-progress beta, rather than a commercial product. When is
>> > this
>> > OS
>> > going to start coming together?
>> >
>> > Sorry, but I am just frustrated with the continuing problems with
>> > Vista. I
>> > feel like I'm part of some unsolicited testing group.

>>

> Ogman, theoretically it shouldn't. I've been thoroughly through the
> process, and I'll dig into this with the developer for that.
> It may be becuase we're using an algorith developed for Teredo (Teredo is a
> technology for tunneling IPv6 over IPv4. It's in Vista), and for Teredo to
> work properly it has to have access to port mappings for the UDP "bubbles"
> it uses.
>
> However, I will follow up with more specifics. Aside from that are things
> working well for you now? Does Vista still lose connectivity?
>
> Cheers,
>
> k.
>
> "ogman" <ogman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FA0D3988-9EF9-4CF5-9518-4C1773D3C1E4@microsoft.com...

> > Karl,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. I upgraded the firmware and checked that the card
> > driver is the most recent. I ran the test you suggested and found that
> > UPnP
> > was "not supported." As I was going through the router settings, I noticed
> > that UPnP was disabled and I enabled it. I ran the test again. The first
> > time
> > everything except UPnP was good. After enabling UPnP, the test listed
> > Network
> > Address Translator Type as not supported. On the first test (before
> > enabling
> > UPnP), "the IGD's NAT type is RESTRICTED CONE." After UPnP is enabled,
> > "the
> > IGD's NAT type is SYMMETRIC."
> >
> > My limited understanding of all of this suggests to me that, for now, my
> > problems may be solved, since IPv6 is not widely in use. However, I would
> > be
> > curious to know why turning on the UPnP changed the NAT type?
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > "Karl Froelich [MS]" wrote:
> >

> >> This could well be an issue with your router. Differences in the
> >> networking
> >> stack between XP and Vista have exposed a lot of router bugs which were
> >> hitherto hidden.
> >>
> >> Vista uses UPnP much more heavily than XP ever did, and we've found that
> >> a
> >> lot of routers have suboptimal UPnP implementations, causing them to
> >> crash.
> >>
> >> 1. Does this happen on both a wired connection to the router AND a
> >> wireless
> >> connection?
> >>
> >> 2. when Vista "loses" connection, does it come back automatically, or do
> >> you
> >> have to reboot your router? Do the other xp machines also lose
> >> connectivity?
> >>
> >> 3. If ONLY the vista machine loses connectivity, then there is an issue
> >> with
> >> your vista machine. Make sure your drivers are all up to date. If
> >> wireless, make sure you have the latest drivers for your card. Go to
> >> linksys' website and verifiy that what you've got is the latest.
> >>
> >> 4. While you're there, make sure you have the latest firmware for your
> >> router. We found a lot of bugs in router firmware during development,
> >> and
> >> the vendors posted a lot of firmware updates.
> >>
> >> 5. Then, try running the router tool at
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx, and see if
> >> it
> >> passes the tests.
> >>
> >> If we can narrow the issue down to your router, that is, that when Vista
> >> loses connectivity ALL the machines (xp too) lose connectivity, then
> >> there
> >> are some things worth trying:
> >>
> >> A possible solution worth trying is to turn of UPnP. This can be done on
> >> the router (you would have to log onto the routers config page, find out
> >> where it has the UPnP on/off switch, and turn it off) or from the
> >> machine
> >> itself.
> >>
> >> You can also try disabling window scaling.
> >>
> >> So, please try these out:
> >>
> >> 1. Go to the webtool, and when the test is finished, click on the "view
> >> detailed report" link, and copy that data off & save it.
> >> 2. turn off UPnP, either on the router or on the vista machine:
> >> from an elevated command prompt,type the following:
> >> a. sc config SSDPSRV start= disabled
> >> b. net stop ssdpsrv <or> reboot the system
> >> 3. Try your test again. If it still fails after some perioed of time,
> >> turn
> >> off Window Scaling:
> >> From an elevated command prompt, type the following:
> >> a. netsh in tcp set gl auto=di
> >> <no reboot required>
> >>
> >> K.
> >>
> >> "ogman" <ogman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:32586B0B-CD46-47B7-9193-CA6F591F9AF4@microsoft.com...
> >> >I have several machines, 2 Windows notebooks, a Mac, and another Windows
> >> > desktop running XP, that all keep their network connection perfectly.
> >> > The
> >> > only machine that drops the connection constantly is the one running
> >> > Vista.
> >> > I'm using a Linksys WUSB54GS wireless card and a Linksys WRT54GX
> >> > router,
> >> > and
> >> > this equipment worked fine under XP. The computer itself is more than
> >> > sufficient to run Vista.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone know why this problem continues? Any suggestions on how to
> >> > solve
> >> > it? Please don't tell me to go back to XP, I paid way too much for
> >> > Vista
> >> > to
> >> > not use it.
> >> >
> >> > Now, a bit of a rant...why the heck, in the months of beta testing,
> >> > were
> >> > problems like this not solved? I have to say that Vista seems very much
> >> > like
> >> > a still-in-progress beta, rather than a commercial product. When is
> >> > this
> >> > OS
> >> > going to start coming together?
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, but I am just frustrated with the continuing problems with
> >> > Vista. I
> >> > feel like I'm part of some unsolicited testing group.
> >>

>

> Ogman, theoretically it shouldn't. I've been thoroughly through the
> process, and I'll dig into this with the developer for that.
> It may be becuase we're using an algorith developed for Teredo (Teredo is a
> technology for tunneling IPv6 over IPv4. It's in Vista), and for Teredo to
> work properly it has to have access to port mappings for the UDP "bubbles"
> it uses.
>
> However, I will follow up with more specifics. Aside from that are things
> working well for you now? Does Vista still lose connectivity?
>
> Cheers,
>
> k.
>
> "ogman" <ogman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FA0D3988-9EF9-4CF5-9518-4C1773D3C1E4@microsoft.com...

> > Karl,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. I upgraded the firmware and checked that the card
> > driver is the most recent. I ran the test you suggested and found that
> > UPnP
> > was "not supported." As I was going through the router settings, I noticed
> > that UPnP was disabled and I enabled it. I ran the test again. The first
> > time
> > everything except UPnP was good. After enabling UPnP, the test listed
> > Network
> > Address Translator Type as not supported. On the first test (before
> > enabling
> > UPnP), "the IGD's NAT type is RESTRICTED CONE." After UPnP is enabled,
> > "the
> > IGD's NAT type is SYMMETRIC."
> >
> > My limited understanding of all of this suggests to me that, for now, my
> > problems may be solved, since IPv6 is not widely in use. However, I would
> > be
> > curious to know why turning on the UPnP changed the NAT type?
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > "Karl Froelich [MS]" wrote:
> >

> >> This could well be an issue with your router. Differences in the
> >> networking
> >> stack between XP and Vista have exposed a lot of router bugs which were
> >> hitherto hidden.
> >>
> >> Vista uses UPnP much more heavily than XP ever did, and we've found that
> >> a
> >> lot of routers have suboptimal UPnP implementations, causing them to
> >> crash.
> >>
> >> 1. Does this happen on both a wired connection to the router AND a
> >> wireless
> >> connection?
> >>
> >> 2. when Vista "loses" connection, does it come back automatically, or do
> >> you
> >> have to reboot your router? Do the other xp machines also lose
> >> connectivity?
> >>
> >> 3. If ONLY the vista machine loses connectivity, then there is an issue
> >> with
> >> your vista machine. Make sure your drivers are all up to date. If
> >> wireless, make sure you have the latest drivers for your card. Go to
> >> linksys' website and verifiy that what you've got is the latest.
> >>
> >> 4. While you're there, make sure you have the latest firmware for your
> >> router. We found a lot of bugs in router firmware during development,
> >> and
> >> the vendors posted a lot of firmware updates.
> >>
> >> 5. Then, try running the router tool at
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx, and see if
> >> it
> >> passes the tests.
> >>
> >> If we can narrow the issue down to your router, that is, that when Vista
> >> loses connectivity ALL the machines (xp too) lose connectivity, then
> >> there
> >> are some things worth trying:
> >>
> >> A possible solution worth trying is to turn of UPnP. This can be done on
> >> the router (you would have to log onto the routers config page, find out
> >> where it has the UPnP on/off switch, and turn it off) or from the
> >> machine
> >> itself.
> >>
> >> You can also try disabling window scaling.
> >>
> >> So, please try these out:
> >>
> >> 1. Go to the webtool, and when the test is finished, click on the "view
> >> detailed report" link, and copy that data off & save it.
> >> 2. turn off UPnP, either on the router or on the vista machine:
> >> from an elevated command prompt,type the following:
> >> a. sc config SSDPSRV start= disabled
> >> b. net stop ssdpsrv <or> reboot the system
> >> 3. Try your test again. If it still fails after some perioed of time,
> >> turn
> >> off Window Scaling:
> >> From an elevated command prompt, type the following:
> >> a. netsh in tcp set gl auto=di
> >> <no reboot required>
> >>
> >> K.
> >>
> >> "ogman" <ogman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:32586B0B-CD46-47B7-9193-CA6F591F9AF4@microsoft.com...
> >> >I have several machines, 2 Windows notebooks, a Mac, and another Windows
> >> > desktop running XP, that all keep their network connection perfectly.
> >> > The
> >> > only machine that drops the connection constantly is the one running
> >> > Vista.
> >> > I'm using a Linksys WUSB54GS wireless card and a Linksys WRT54GX
> >> > router,
> >> > and
> >> > this equipment worked fine under XP. The computer itself is more than
> >> > sufficient to run Vista.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone know why this problem continues? Any suggestions on how to
> >> > solve
> >> > it? Please don't tell me to go back to XP, I paid way too much for
> >> > Vista
> >> > to
> >> > not use it.
> >> >
> >> > Now, a bit of a rant...why the heck, in the months of beta testing,
> >> > were
> >> > problems like this not solved? I have to say that Vista seems very much
> >> > like
> >> > a still-in-progress beta, rather than a commercial product. When is
> >> > this
> >> > OS
> >> > going to start coming together?
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, but I am just frustrated with the continuing problems with
> >> > Vista. I
> >> > feel like I'm part of some unsolicited testing group.
> >>

>

> I have exactly the same problem:
> I have wired and wireless connection, and my wireles connection is being
> constantly disconected after one or two hours. I have to reboot my windows
> machine , rebooting my router doesn't help.
> XP machine on same router doesn't disconnect.
> My router is Siemens Gigaset SE555 WLAN dsl. In the begining, maybe some ten
> months , my wireless connection worked just fine, and this problem started
> recently. I think it started after one of the regular Vista updates.
> Thank You in advance.
>
>
>
>
>

>I have exactly the same problem:
> I have wired and wireless connection, and my wireles connection is being
> constantly disconected after one or two hours. I have to reboot my windows
> machine , rebooting my router doesn't help.
> XP machine on same router doesn't disconnect.
> My router is Siemens Gigaset SE555 WLAN dsl. In the begining, maybe some
> ten
> months , my wireless connection worked just fine, and this problem started
> recently. I think it started after one of the regular Vista updates.
> Thank You in advance.
>
>
>
>
>