Wireless Zero Configuration still not fixed in SP1

This message is in regards to the Wireless Zero Configuration not being fixed
in SP1.

This is a serious issue for multiplayer gaming enthusiasts who play
wirelessly. This system causes a lag spike in games that lasts between 1-3
seconds and reoccurs EVERY 60 SECONDS. This is unacceptable! This makes
playing games over a wireless connection completely unbearable!

The problem goes like this. Every 60 seconds, via Wlan autoconfig (WZC), my
computer (and ANY computer using Vista and wireless connection) attempts to
find the best connection. During this time period, if you're doing something
intensive with your connection such as playing a game, the connection spikes
and causes an intermission between your game and the server you're playing on
because your connection is being temporarily interrupted. There are no
options to stop WZC from doing this. Manually disabling Wlan autoconfig
causes you to be shut out from connecting to the internet at all.

3rd party programs have been made to alleviate this issue, many complain
they don't work, or only help a little. Some have offered help in the form
of commands for use in the command prompt; these too fail to alleviate the
problem. Microsoft seems to be the only ones who can fix this, and we want a
fix ASAP. There should be an option to disable this scan from occurring. An
option that allows us to maintain a connection to a specific connection
without our system scanning for a new one every 60 seconds. Please let us
know you are working on a solution.

If you parse the internet for 60 second lag on vista, or vista wireless
gaming time outs, or anything of the like, you will find there is an
outstanding number of people experiencing this problem with no solution to
it. I have no doubts in my mind, given how word-of-mouth the gaming
community is, that this is just one of the many reasons so few have adopted
Vista yet and prefer XP. Gamers are heralded by their peers as "tech gurus"
due to their misconceptions. But, because of this, if a gamer says Vista is
bad, the flock listens, after all, this person spends a lot of time with
computers so they must know what they're talking about, right? While they
may not in actuality, their opinion is still regarded as truth. This is
where word-of-mouth takes on a life of its own and holds back sales! I can
guarantee you if this issue is fixed swiftly and properly, with no trace of
the problem existing after the "fix" many gamers will rejoice, and word will
spread.

Please take this issue seriously! I know that you will consider Wlan
autoconfig to be "working as intended" but we are people, not numbers, and we
want a real answer! No corporate responses, please! We deserve a solution!

Thank you.

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Hi
It is Not an OS issue, Wireless by the the virtue of its technology insert a
lag into its traffic.
If some one gaming is so important to him that he can not enjoy it with
slight lag he should Not play over Wireless.
You do not use a MiniCooper when you need to transport a tone of sand to a
construction site.
Jack (MVP-Networking).

"Annoyed-Gamer" <Annoyed-Gamer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:11E34B2C-B9AD-401E-98F9-566193CA61FB@microsoft.com...

> This message is in regards to the Wireless Zero Configuration not being
> fixed
> in SP1.
>
> This is a serious issue for multiplayer gaming enthusiasts who play
> wirelessly. This system causes a lag spike in games that lasts between
> 1-3
> seconds and reoccurs EVERY 60 SECONDS. This is unacceptable! This makes
> playing games over a wireless connection completely unbearable!
>
> The problem goes like this. Every 60 seconds, via Wlan autoconfig (WZC),
> my
> computer (and ANY computer using Vista and wireless connection) attempts
> to
> find the best connection. During this time period, if you're doing
> something
> intensive with your connection such as playing a game, the connection
> spikes
> and causes an intermission between your game and the server you're playing
> on
> because your connection is being temporarily interrupted. There are no
> options to stop WZC from doing this. Manually disabling Wlan autoconfig
> causes you to be shut out from connecting to the internet at all.
>
> 3rd party programs have been made to alleviate this issue, many complain
> they don't work, or only help a little. Some have offered help in the
> form
> of commands for use in the command prompt; these too fail to alleviate the
> problem. Microsoft seems to be the only ones who can fix this, and we
> want a
> fix ASAP. There should be an option to disable this scan from occurring.
> An
> option that allows us to maintain a connection to a specific connection
> without our system scanning for a new one every 60 seconds. Please let us
> know you are working on a solution.
>
> If you parse the internet for 60 second lag on vista, or vista wireless
> gaming time outs, or anything of the like, you will find there is an
> outstanding number of people experiencing this problem with no solution to
> it. I have no doubts in my mind, given how word-of-mouth the gaming
> community is, that this is just one of the many reasons so few have
> adopted
> Vista yet and prefer XP. Gamers are heralded by their peers as "tech
> gurus"
> due to their misconceptions. But, because of this, if a gamer says Vista
> is
> bad, the flock listens, after all, this person spends a lot of time with
> computers so they must know what they're talking about, right? While they
> may not in actuality, their opinion is still regarded as truth. This is
> where word-of-mouth takes on a life of its own and holds back sales! I
> can
> guarantee you if this issue is fixed swiftly and properly, with no trace
> of
> the problem existing after the "fix" many gamers will rejoice, and word
> will
> spread.
>
> Please take this issue seriously! I know that you will consider Wlan
> autoconfig to be "working as intended" but we are people, not numbers, and
> we
> want a real answer! No corporate responses, please! We deserve a
> solution!
>
> Thank you.
>
> ----------------
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> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
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Jack,

Can you explain "Wireless by the the virtue of its technology insert a

> lag into its traffic." ?

--
Regards, BobF.
"Jack (MVP-Networking)." <jack@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message
news:ONM%23MHHjIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Hi
> It is Not an OS issue, Wireless by the the virtue of its technology insert
> a lag into its traffic.
> If some one gaming is so important to him that he can not enjoy it with
> slight lag he should Not play over Wireless.
> You do not use a MiniCooper when you need to transport a tone of sand to a
> construction site.
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
> "Annoyed-Gamer" <Annoyed-Gamer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:11E34B2C-B9AD-401E-98F9-566193CA61FB@microsoft.com...

>

This is in response to Jack's comment.

There is nothing about the construction of wireless networking technology
that "inserts lag into it's traffic". It is absurd to ask someone to use
different technology because the technology he is using is not working as
intended.

That being said, I think you have misinterpreted the gravity of this
situation. I have been experiencing the same problem, and it cannot simply
be addressed as a gamer experiencing "slight lag". This lag applies to the
entire system: games, music, video, anything running on it. It completely
interrupts all system processes for 1-2 seconds EVERY MINUTE, which is enough
to prevent a music enthusiast from enjoying his music, and it is enough to
not only cause "slight lag" for a gamer, but 1-2 seconds of system lag is
enough to completely disconnect him from his server. The fact that WLAN
AutoConfig cannot be disabled without causing a disconnect from the network
is an inexcusable fault in Vista and must be addressed by Microsoft



"Bob F." wrote:

> Jack,
>
> Can you explain "Wireless by the the virtue of its technology insert a

>
> --
> Regards, BobF.
> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <jack@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message
> news:ONM%23MHHjIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

"Vraedac" and "Annoyed-Gamer"
Did you unbind IPv6? Do you know how to do that? What else have you tried?
What wireless components are you using. Some of them have not kept up with
the standards and if a feature was missed by them and Vista uses it, then
they will fail in different ways.

--
Regards, BobF.
"Vraedac" <Vraedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1A7C9A65-5542-44A7-BF09-80CDF8B9C6C8@microsoft.com...

> This is in response to Jack's comment.
>
> There is nothing about the construction of wireless networking technology
> that "inserts lag into it's traffic". It is absurd to ask someone to use
> different technology because the technology he is using is not working as
> intended.
>
> That being said, I think you have misinterpreted the gravity of this
> situation. I have been experiencing the same problem, and it cannot
> simply
> be addressed as a gamer experiencing "slight lag". This lag applies to
> the
> entire system: games, music, video, anything running on it. It completely
> interrupts all system processes for 1-2 seconds EVERY MINUTE, which is
> enough
> to prevent a music enthusiast from enjoying his music, and it is enough to
> not only cause "slight lag" for a gamer, but 1-2 seconds of system lag is
> enough to completely disconnect him from his server. The fact that WLAN
> AutoConfig cannot be disabled without causing a disconnect from the
> network
> is an inexcusable fault in Vista and must be addressed by Microsoft
>
>
>
> "Bob F." wrote:
>

if you are using mixed mode b/g/n or b/g g and g/n must "stop and
wait" for b traffic. it is a protection mechanism. see
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...0211gspec.mspx

better results are obtained by running in g only, g/n only or n only
modes if the router supports it.

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:11:01 -0700, Vraedac
<Vraedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>There is nothing about the construction of wireless networking technology
>that "inserts lag into it's traffic". It is absurd to ask someone to use
>different technology because the technology he is using is not working as
>intended.

--

Barb Bowman
MS-MVP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

I installed Vista Anti-Lag and it worked like a charm.

I do know how to unbind IPv6, and no I hadn't tried that yet, but I'm not
going to bother now because VAL has cured this problem, at least for the time
being.



"Barb Bowman" wrote:

> if you are using mixed mode b/g/n or b/g g and g/n must "stop and
> wait" for b traffic. it is a protection mechanism. see
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...0211gspec.mspx
>
> better results are obtained by running in g only, g/n only or n only
> modes if the router supports it.
>
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:11:01 -0700, Vraedac
> <Vraedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>

> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS-MVP
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
>

thanks for the update

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:01:00 -0700, Vraedac
<Vraedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I installed Vista Anti-Lag and it worked like a charm.
>
>I do know how to unbind IPv6, and no I hadn't tried that yet, but I'm not
>going to bother now because VAL has cured this problem, at least for the time
>being.
>
>
>
>"Barb Bowman" wrote:
>

--

Barb Bowman
MS-MVP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

Im having those "60 seconds" lag spikes since i had this brand new
computer and i can believe i bough a gaming computer with vista on it. I
hoped months and months that it would be solved in an update, then i
hoped Sp1 would be the ultimate solution. I then read that the sp1 would
be fixing network bugs. I was so happy. Sp1 finally finished
downloading. I open my games with a big smile. 10-15-25-50-60... The lag
spike. I was almost crying
I already sent a message to microsoft and they told me that the bug
would probably be fixed in the Sp1.

This is ruining my gaming experience.


--
Ebay

Another solution (workaround) is the use of Gibson's (www.grc.com) Wizmo
multi-utility. It's "Wanlock" feature is used to disable the Wireless Zero
Configuration service after a satisfactory wireless connection has been
established.

"Annoyed-Gamer" wrote:

> This message is in regards to the Wireless Zero Configuration not being fixed
> in SP1.
>
> This is a serious issue for multiplayer gaming enthusiasts who play
> wirelessly. This system causes a lag spike in games that lasts between 1-3
> seconds and reoccurs EVERY 60 SECONDS. This is unacceptable! This makes
> playing games over a wireless connection completely unbearable!
>
> The problem goes like this. Every 60 seconds, via Wlan autoconfig (WZC), my
> computer (and ANY computer using Vista and wireless connection) attempts to
> find the best connection. During this time period, if you're doing something
> intensive with your connection such as playing a game, the connection spikes
> and causes an intermission between your game and the server you're playing on
> because your connection is being temporarily interrupted. There are no
> options to stop WZC from doing this. Manually disabling Wlan autoconfig
> causes you to be shut out from connecting to the internet at all.
>
> 3rd party programs have been made to alleviate this issue, many complain
> they don't work, or only help a little. Some have offered help in the form
> of commands for use in the command prompt; these too fail to alleviate the
> problem. Microsoft seems to be the only ones who can fix this, and we want a
> fix ASAP. There should be an option to disable this scan from occurring. An
> option that allows us to maintain a connection to a specific connection
> without our system scanning for a new one every 60 seconds. Please let us
> know you are working on a solution.
>
> If you parse the internet for 60 second lag on vista, or vista wireless
> gaming time outs, or anything of the like, you will find there is an
> outstanding number of people experiencing this problem with no solution to
> it. I have no doubts in my mind, given how word-of-mouth the gaming
> community is, that this is just one of the many reasons so few have adopted
> Vista yet and prefer XP. Gamers are heralded by their peers as "tech gurus"
> due to their misconceptions. But, because of this, if a gamer says Vista is
> bad, the flock listens, after all, this person spends a lot of time with
> computers so they must know what they're talking about, right? While they
> may not in actuality, their opinion is still regarded as truth. This is
> where word-of-mouth takes on a life of its own and holds back sales! I can
> guarantee you if this issue is fixed swiftly and properly, with no trace of
> the problem existing after the "fix" many gamers will rejoice, and word will
> spread.
>
> Please take this issue seriously! I know that you will consider Wlan
> autoconfig to be "working as intended" but we are people, not numbers, and we
> want a real answer! No corporate responses, please! We deserve a solution!
>
> Thank you.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...orking_sharing