XP and 98 won't network

Hi,

You need to create a user account on your W98 machines
with the same username as on the XP machine.
That will solve the issue....

anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com wrote:

> Windows XP stopped supporting the NetBEUI protocol, which
> is why you can't see the XP machine from Windows 98.
> Check out Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 306059.

That might be the problem, but I doubt it: if the W9x PCs used
only NetBEUI and the XP PC did not use NetBEUI, then there would
not be communication in either direction.

A more likely cause of this problem (according to my remote
crystal ball) is that the XP PC is using ICF, or maybe some
other firewall software. If ICF is the culprit, turn it off
forever, since ICF will inhibit F&P sharing on your LAN. It
is a good idea, while chasing network problems, to remove all
firewall and AntiVirus software; when your LAN works, you can
reinstall them (one at a time).

If firewall/AV apps aren't the problem, then make sure all PCs
are in the same IP subnet: for IPA=a.b.c.d, all PCs typically
have the same a.b.c, and the d's must be unique.

And, since there are lebenty-leben ways to screw up a network,
if the things I listed above don't cure your net, ask again.
--
Cheers, Bob

>-----Original Message-----
>anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com wrote:
>

>> Windows XP stopped supporting the NetBEUI protocol,

which

>> is why you can't see the XP machine from Windows 98.
>> Check out Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 306059.

>
>That might be the problem, but I doubt it: if the W9x

PCs used

>only NetBEUI and the XP PC did not use NetBEUI, then

there would

>not be communication in either direction.
>
>A more likely cause of this problem (according to my

remote

>crystal ball) is that the XP PC is using ICF, or maybe

some

>other firewall software. If ICF is the culprit, turn it

off

>forever, since ICF will inhibit F&P sharing on your

LAN. It

>is a good idea, while chasing network problems, to

remove all

>firewall and AntiVirus software; when your LAN works,

you can

>reinstall them (one at a time).
>
>If firewall/AV apps aren't the problem, then make sure

all PCs

>are in the same IP subnet: for IPA=a.b.c.d, all PCs

typically

>have the same a.b.c, and the d's must be unique.
>
>And, since there are lebenty-leben ways to screw up a

network,

>if the things I listed above don't cure your net, ask

again.

>--
>Cheers, Bob
>
>.
>It was the firewall in the antivirus software that came

with the computer. Thanks for the tip.

JOhnJ

In article <07f101c39fdd$91970c10$a001280a@phx.gbl>, "hitjock"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>In article <009501c39fcf$84fc74d0$a301280a@phx.gbl>, "JohnJ" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>I recently got a new computer with Windows XP on it and
>>have connected it to two other computers that run Windows
>>98se. The hardware connection is fine and the Windows XP
>>computer can axxess everything on the other two computers
>>but those computers don't see the XP computer on the
>>network. In fact, the 98 "Network Neighborhood" shows
>>nothing even though those two communicate with each other
>>over the network. I have used the XP trouble shooter and
>>everything is in order. How do I get 98 to see XP?

>
>You need to create a user account on your W98 machines
>with the same username as on the XP machine.
>That will solve the issue....

That will solve some XP networking issues, but I don't think that it
applies here. Different user accounts won't make a computer
completely invisible on the network.

Matching user accounts are necessary when the computer being accessed
runs XP Professional (not XP Home Edition) and Simple File Sharing is
disabled. When that's the case, the XP Professional computer and its
shares are visible on the network, but attempts to access them get
either an "access denied" error message or a prompt for a network
password.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Hello Steve,

I just read this posting and I am at the point you describe below:

"Matching user accounts are necessary when the computer being accessed

> runs XP Professional (not XP Home Edition) and Simple File Sharing is

> disabled. When that's the case, the XP Professional computer and its

> shares are visible on the network, but attempts to access them get

> either an "access denied" error message or a prompt for a network

> password."

I get the exact response you describe. Can you work around this and have a
WinXP Pro PC share folders with Win98 PCs on a peer-to-peer network?

I recently read in a book by Curt Simmons that: "If you have set up a
peer-to-peer computer network between a Windows XP PC and a PC runniing an
earlier version of Windows, the older version of Windows will be able to
access files on the NTFS portion of the Windows XP PC's hard drive over the
network because of the operating system's network redirector software."

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Richard

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <winograd@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:1uo6qvkh7uk3e312okbrckul92toj52gtm@4ax.com...

> In article <07f101c39fdd$91970c10$a001280a@phx.gbl>, "hitjock"
> <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >In article <009501c39fcf$84fc74d0$a301280a@phx.gbl>, "JohnJ"

<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>I recently got a new computer with Windows XP on it and
> >>have connected it to two other computers that run Windows
> >>98se. The hardware connection is fine and the Windows XP
> >>computer can axxess everything on the other two computers
> >>but those computers don't see the XP computer on the
> >>network. In fact, the 98 "Network Neighborhood" shows
> >>nothing even though those two communicate with each other
> >>over the network. I have used the XP trouble shooter and
> >>everything is in order. How do I get 98 to see XP?

> >
> >You need to create a user account on your W98 machines
> >with the same username as on the XP machine.
> >That will solve the issue....

>
> That will solve some XP networking issues, but I don't think that it
> applies here. Different user accounts won't make a computer
> completely invisible on the network.
>
> Matching user accounts are necessary when the computer being accessed
> runs XP Professional (not XP Home Edition) and Simple File Sharing is
> disabled. When that's the case, the XP Professional computer and its
> shares are visible on the network, but attempts to access them get
> either an "access denied" error message or a prompt for a network
> password.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

I wanted to add that other than sharing folders on the XP machine that
everything is working fine. The XP machine sees both shares on the 98
machines, three network printers are accessible by all three computers. The
win98 PCs share the internet using ICS through the XP machine as host.

I all need to do is enable the two Win98 PCs to access shares on the WinXP
PC. I have not set any restrictions for the win98 PCs or any restrictions on
the XP PC yet. (e.g. user and group policies).

Thanks.

"Rick Tallwood" <rmgrandb@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:%23qGv4qZoDHA.3700@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> Hello Steve,
>
> I just read this posting and I am at the point you describe below:
>
> "Matching user accounts are necessary when the computer being accessed
>

> > runs XP Professional (not XP Home Edition) and Simple File Sharing is

>

> > disabled. When that's the case, the XP Professional computer and its

>

> > shares are visible on the network, but attempts to access them get

>

> > either an "access denied" error message or a prompt for a network

>

> > password."

>
> I get the exact response you describe. Can you work around this and have a
> WinXP Pro PC share folders with Win98 PCs on a peer-to-peer network?
>
> I recently read in a book by Curt Simmons that: "If you have set up a
> peer-to-peer computer network between a Windows XP PC and a PC runniing an
> earlier version of Windows, the older version of Windows will be able to
> access files on the NTFS portion of the Windows XP PC's hard drive over

the

> network because of the operating system's network redirector software."
>
> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
> "Steve Winograd [MVP]" <winograd@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:1uo6qvkh7uk3e312okbrckul92toj52gtm@4ax.com...

> > In article <07f101c39fdd$91970c10$a001280a@phx.gbl>, "hitjock"
> > <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > >In article <009501c39fcf$84fc74d0$a301280a@phx.gbl>, "JohnJ"

> <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > >>I recently got a new computer with Windows XP on it and
> > >>have connected it to two other computers that run Windows
> > >>98se. The hardware connection is fine and the Windows XP
> > >>computer can axxess everything on the other two computers
> > >>but those computers don't see the XP computer on the
> > >>network. In fact, the 98 "Network Neighborhood" shows
> > >>nothing even though those two communicate with each other
> > >>over the network. I have used the XP trouble shooter and
> > >>everything is in order. How do I get 98 to see XP?
> > >
> > >You need to create a user account on your W98 machines
> > >with the same username as on the XP machine.
> > >That will solve the issue....

> >
> > That will solve some XP networking issues, but I don't think that it
> > applies here. Different user accounts won't make a computer
> > completely invisible on the network.
> >
> > Matching user accounts are necessary when the computer being accessed
> > runs XP Professional (not XP Home Edition) and Simple File Sharing is
> > disabled. When that's the case, the XP Professional computer and its
> > shares are visible on the network, but attempts to access them get
> > either an "access denied" error message or a prompt for a network
> > password.
> > --
> > Best Wishes,
> > Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
> >
> > Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> > for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> > addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
> >
> > Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

>
>

I think I found the answer in another posting:

File sharing between XP and 98 uses NetBIOS name resolution, not DNS.
Make sure that NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) is enabled on both
computers, as shown here:

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm


Thanks


"Rick Tallwood" <rmgrandb@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:%23H9eO%23ZoDHA.2488@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> I wanted to add that other than sharing folders on the XP machine that
> everything is working fine. The XP machine sees both shares on the 98
> machines, three network printers are accessible by all three computers.

The

> win98 PCs share the internet using ICS through the XP machine as host.
>
> I all need to do is enable the two Win98 PCs to access shares on the WinXP
> PC. I have not set any restrictions for the win98 PCs or any restrictions

on

> the XP PC yet. (e.g. user and group policies).
>
> Thanks.
>
> "Rick Tallwood" <rmgrandb@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:%23qGv4qZoDHA.3700@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> > Hello Steve,
> >
> > I just read this posting and I am at the point you describe below:
> >
> > "Matching user accounts are necessary when the computer being accessed
> >

> > > runs XP Professional (not XP Home Edition) and Simple File Sharing is

> >

> > > disabled. When that's the case, the XP Professional computer and its

> >

> > > shares are visible on the network, but attempts to access them get

> >

> > > either an "access denied" error message or a prompt for a network

> >

> > > password."

> >
> > I get the exact response you describe. Can you work around this and have

a

> > WinXP Pro PC share folders with Win98 PCs on a peer-to-peer network?
> >
> > I recently read in a book by Curt Simmons that: "If you have set up a
> > peer-to-peer computer network between a Windows XP PC and a PC runniing

an

> > earlier version of Windows, the older version of Windows will be able to
> > access files on the NTFS portion of the Windows XP PC's hard drive over

> the

> > network because of the operating system's network redirector software."
> >
> > Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > "Steve Winograd [MVP]" <winograd@pobox.com> wrote in message
> > news:1uo6qvkh7uk3e312okbrckul92toj52gtm@4ax.com...

> > > In article <07f101c39fdd$91970c10$a001280a@phx.gbl>, "hitjock"
> > > <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > > >In article <009501c39fcf$84fc74d0$a301280a@phx.gbl>, "JohnJ"

> > <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > >>I recently got a new computer with Windows XP on it and
> > > >>have connected it to two other computers that run Windows
> > > >>98se. The hardware connection is fine and the Windows XP
> > > >>computer can axxess everything on the other two computers
> > > >>but those computers don't see the XP computer on the
> > > >>network. In fact, the 98 "Network Neighborhood" shows
> > > >>nothing even though those two communicate with each other
> > > >>over the network. I have used the XP trouble shooter and
> > > >>everything is in order. How do I get 98 to see XP?
> > > >
> > > >You need to create a user account on your W98 machines
> > > >with the same username as on the XP machine.
> > > >That will solve the issue....
> > >
> > > That will solve some XP networking issues, but I don't think that it
> > > applies here. Different user accounts won't make a computer
> > > completely invisible on the network.
> > >
> > > Matching user accounts are necessary when the computer being accessed
> > > runs XP Professional (not XP Home Edition) and Simple File Sharing is
> > > disabled. When that's the case, the XP Professional computer and its
> > > shares are visible on the network, but attempts to access them get
> > > either an "access denied" error message or a prompt for a network
> > > password.
> > > --
> > > Best Wishes,
> > > Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
> > >
> > > Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> > > for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> > > addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
> > >
> > > Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> > > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

> >
> >

>
>

I tried the solution suggsted below and it does not solve the problem. So I
still need help if anyone has a suggestion.


"Rick Tallwood" <rmgrandb@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:OFc0wQaoDHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> I think I found the answer in another posting:
>
> File sharing between XP and 98 uses NetBIOS name resolution, not DNS.
> Make sure that NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) is enabled on both
> computers, as shown here:
>
> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> "Rick Tallwood" <rmgrandb@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:%23H9eO%23ZoDHA.2488@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> > I wanted to add that other than sharing folders on the XP machine that
> > everything is working fine. The XP machine sees both shares on the 98
> > machines, three network printers are accessible by all three computers.

> The

> > win98 PCs share the internet using ICS through the XP machine as host.
> >
> > I all need to do is enable the two Win98 PCs to access shares on the

WinXP

> > PC. I have not set any restrictions for the win98 PCs or any

restrictions

> on

> > the XP PC yet. (e.g. user and group policies).
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > "Rick Tallwood" <rmgrandb@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> > news:%23qGv4qZoDHA.3700@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> > > Hello Steve,
> > >
> > > I just read this posting and I am at the point you describe below:
> > >
> > > "Matching user accounts are necessary when the computer being accessed
> > >
> > > > runs XP Professional (not XP Home Edition) and Simple File Sharing

is

> > >
> > > > disabled. When that's the case, the XP Professional computer and its
> > >
> > > > shares are visible on the network, but attempts to access them get
> > >
> > > > either an "access denied" error message or a prompt for a network
> > >
> > > > password."
> > >
> > > I get the exact response you describe. Can you work around this and

have

> a

> > > WinXP Pro PC share folders with Win98 PCs on a peer-to-peer network?
> > >
> > > I recently read in a book by Curt Simmons that: "If you have set up a
> > > peer-to-peer computer network between a Windows XP PC and a PC

runniing

> an

> > > earlier version of Windows, the older version of Windows will be able

to

> > > access files on the NTFS portion of the Windows XP PC's hard drive

over

> > the

> > > network because of the operating system's network redirector

software."

> > >
> > > Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > "Steve Winograd [MVP]" <winograd@pobox.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1uo6qvkh7uk3e312okbrckul92toj52gtm@4ax.com...
> > > > In article <07f101c39fdd$91970c10$a001280a@phx.gbl>, "hitjock"
> > > > <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > > > >In article <009501c39fcf$84fc74d0$a301280a@phx.gbl>, "JohnJ"
> > > <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > > > >>I recently got a new computer with Windows XP on it and
> > > > >>have connected it to two other computers that run Windows
> > > > >>98se. The hardware connection is fine and the Windows XP
> > > > >>computer can axxess everything on the other two computers
> > > > >>but those computers don't see the XP computer on the
> > > > >>network. In fact, the 98 "Network Neighborhood" shows
> > > > >>nothing even though those two communicate with each other
> > > > >>over the network. I have used the XP trouble shooter and
> > > > >>everything is in order. How do I get 98 to see XP?
> > > > >
> > > > >You need to create a user account on your W98 machines
> > > > >with the same username as on the XP machine.
> > > > >That will solve the issue....
> > > >
> > > > That will solve some XP networking issues, but I don't think that it
> > > > applies here. Different user accounts won't make a computer
> > > > completely invisible on the network.
> > > >
> > > > Matching user accounts are necessary when the computer being

accessed

> > > > runs XP Professional (not XP Home Edition) and Simple File Sharing

is

> > > > disabled. When that's the case, the XP Professional computer and

its

> > > > shares are visible on the network, but attempts to access them get
> > > > either an "access denied" error message or a prompt for a network
> > > > password.
> > > > --
> > > > Best Wishes,
> > > > Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
> > > >
> > > > Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> > > > for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> > > > addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> > > > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>