XP not talking to Vista

Hi Mick - thanks

I have seen all of this on other replies - checked all the steps. The Vista
computers are clearly set up correctly as they network and share with each
other without problems. They also access the XP computers. All XP computers
access each other without trouble.

The only issue is the XP computers can't access the Vistas. Is there
something in the Vistas that blocks XP?

"Mick Murphy" wrote:

> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx
>
> Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
>
> Permissions/Share info is there as well.
>
> If using Norton, McAfee, Trend Micro I.S., make sure file and printer
> sharing is enabled in THEIR firewall .(LAN allowed)
>
> 1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
> the SAME.
>
> In Vista Network and Sharing:
>
> Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)
>
> Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)
>
> File Sharing: ON
>
> Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
> Docs)
>
> Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames, and
> passwords (they can be different) on ALL computers in your Network). If you
> have it ON, you will be asked for a username and password when you try to
> access a Vista computer from an XP computer, or a Vista Computer.
>
> Also, If you haven’t done so already, run XP’s Network Setup Wizard (in
> Start >All Programs >Accessories >Communications), and tell the Wizard to
> enable File and Printer Sharing.
> Or > Start > Control Panel > Network Connections > Set up a Home or Small
> Office Network.
>
> --
> Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
>
>
> "brianford" wrote:
>

> > I have 5 computers networked - 2 Vistas and 3 XP's. The Vistas network well
> > with the XP's (and each other) , but the XP's get an error message when I try
> > to access files on the Vistas. The XP's network well with each other as
> > usual. Is there anything I need to do (a patch maybe?) that allows XP to
> > access Vista files?
> >
> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> >
> > Brian Ford

This is probably a stupid thought that has nothing to do with your problem
but how are your file systems set up. Could it be that it's not a networking
problem per say? How are your file systems set on the computers. By default
I think that Vista uses the NTFS file system and can read and write to NTFS
and the old FAT system used by XP. XP by default I think uses FAT and cannot
see into NTFS. If this is the case, the Vista machines would be able to
read/write to all of the pc's whereas the XP systems could only read/write
to each other. If this is the case, I think there is a program on XP, I
think possible under System Tools that allows you to convert your file
system from FAT to NFTS. Just a rambling thought.

Michael

"brianford" <brianford@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5A4B6130-5324-4399-B56B-80043F239448@microsoft.com...

> Hi Mick - thanks
>
> I have seen all of this on other replies - checked all the steps. The
> Vista
> computers are clearly set up correctly as they network and share with each
> other without problems. They also access the XP computers. All XP
> computers
> access each other without trouble.
>
> The only issue is the XP computers can't access the Vistas. Is there
> something in the Vistas that blocks XP?
>
> "Mick Murphy" wrote:
>

>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx
>>
>> Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
>>
>> Permissions/Share info is there as well.
>>
>> If using Norton, McAfee, Trend Micro I.S., make sure file and printer
>> sharing is enabled in THEIR firewall .(LAN allowed)
>>
>> 1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers
>> is
>> the SAME.
>>
>> In Vista Network and Sharing:
>>
>> Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)
>>
>> Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)
>>
>> File Sharing: ON
>>
>> Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s
>> Shared
>> Docs)
>>
>> Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames,
>> and
>> passwords (they can be different) on ALL computers in your Network). If
>> you
>> have it ON, you will be asked for a username and password when you try to
>> access a Vista computer from an XP computer, or a Vista Computer.
>>
>> Also, If you haven’t done so already, run XP’s Network Setup Wizard (in
>> Start >All Programs >Accessories >Communications), and tell the Wizard to
>> enable File and Printer Sharing.
>> Or > Start > Control Panel > Network Connections > Set up a Home or Small
>> Office Network.
>>
>> --
>> Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
>>
>>
>> "brianford" wrote:
>>

>> > I have 5 computers networked - 2 Vistas and 3 XP's. The Vistas network
>> > well
>> > with the XP's (and each other) , but the XP's get an error message when
>> > I try
>> > to access files on the Vistas. The XP's network well with each other as
>> > usual. Is there anything I need to do (a patch maybe?) that allows XP
>> > to
>> > access Vista files?
>> >
>> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>> >
>> > Brian Ford

Hi Michael - thanks for the suggestion. XP's use NTFS already. Appreciate the
thought.

Brian

"Rev. Michael L. Burns" wrote:

> This is probably a stupid thought that has nothing to do with your problem
> but how are your file systems set up. Could it be that it's not a networking
> problem per say? How are your file systems set on the computers. By default
> I think that Vista uses the NTFS file system and can read and write to NTFS
> and the old FAT system used by XP. XP by default I think uses FAT and cannot
> see into NTFS. If this is the case, the Vista machines would be able to
> read/write to all of the pc's whereas the XP systems could only read/write
> to each other. If this is the case, I think there is a program on XP, I
> think possible under System Tools that allows you to convert your file
> system from FAT to NFTS. Just a rambling thought.
>
> Michael
>
> "brianford" <brianford@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5A4B6130-5324-4399-B56B-80043F239448@microsoft.com...

> > Hi Mick - thanks
> >
> > I have seen all of this on other replies - checked all the steps. The
> > Vista
> > computers are clearly set up correctly as they network and share with each
> > other without problems. They also access the XP computers. All XP
> > computers
> > access each other without trouble.
> >
> > The only issue is the XP computers can't access the Vistas. Is there
> > something in the Vistas that blocks XP?
> >
> > "Mick Murphy" wrote:
> >

> >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx
> >>
> >> Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
> >>
> >> Permissions/Share info is there as well.
> >>
> >> If using Norton, McAfee, Trend Micro I.S., make sure file and printer
> >> sharing is enabled in THEIR firewall .(LAN allowed)
> >>
> >> 1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers
> >> is
> >> the SAME.
> >>
> >> In Vista Network and Sharing:
> >>
> >> Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)
> >>
> >> Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)
> >>
> >> File Sharing: ON
> >>
> >> Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s
> >> Shared
> >> Docs)
> >>
> >> Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames,
> >> and
> >> passwords (they can be different) on ALL computers in your Network). If
> >> you
> >> have it ON, you will be asked for a username and password when you try to
> >> access a Vista computer from an XP computer, or a Vista Computer.
> >>
> >> Also, If you haven’t done so already, run XP’s Network Setup Wizard (in
> >> Start >All Programs >Accessories >Communications), and tell the Wizard to
> >> enable File and Printer Sharing.
> >> Or > Start > Control Panel > Network Connections > Set up a Home or Small
> >> Office Network.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
> >>
> >>
> >> "brianford" wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have 5 computers networked - 2 Vistas and 3 XP's. The Vistas network
> >> > well
> >> > with the XP's (and each other) , but the XP's get an error message when
> >> > I try
> >> > to access files on the Vistas. The XP's network well with each other as
> >> > usual. Is there anything I need to do (a patch maybe?) that allows XP
> >> > to
> >> > access Vista files?
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> >> >
> >> > Brian Ford

>

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:32:00 -0700, brianford
<brianford@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I have 5 computers networked - 2 Vistas and 3 XP's. The Vistas network well
>with the XP's (and each other) , but the XP's get an error message when I try
>to access files on the Vistas. The XP's network well with each other as
>usual. Is there anything I need to do (a patch maybe?) that allows XP to
>access Vista files?
>
>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
>Brian Ford

Brian,

What is the error message? Start there.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/01/look-at-complete-detail-in-error.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-in-error.html

Or, you can read about known differences between Windows Vista and Windows XP,
and maybe there's a clue there.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-together.html

On the Vista computers, is Password Protected Sharing enabled, or disabled? Are
the XP computers running XP Home, XP Pro with Simple File Sharing, or XP Pro
with Advanced File Sharing?
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005...indows-xp.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/

Hello

I had the same problem, I have 3 computers, two running Windows XP and one
running windows Vista.

In the computers running windows Vista I was able to see and access the
other two computers, the computers running XP can see the computer running
Vista but they can not access the share folders. I received a permission
error message.

The problem was Windows Vista has different level of security for the
different users of the network and the files I wanted to share have only
permissions for the users in the computer with windows Vista.

If you go to my computer, then users, and then select for example public,
you can check the properties and then select the tab security. You will see
all the users with rights of access that folder, for example everybody,
administrator, owner, etc. And everyone has rights like read, list, modify,
etc

If you go to the folder that you want to share (It is suppose the folder is
already shared) and you check the properties then security you MUST see the
users in the computers running XP, in my case is EVERYBODY.

I choose everybody because I am using a private home network with security
and I am the only person that uses that network but if you are using a public
or corporate network, it is suppose that you assign users or groups and you
give different levels of security, different rights, different passwords, etc.

The bottom line, choose a folder for share, share that folder, then go to
properties, security, right down EVERYBODY choose the rights you want the
users have like read or modify. Finally see if you have access to that folder
from windows XP. If that work you can do the same with any folder you want.

Remember if more than one person will access the data, instead of everybody
you must configure the name of the users and assign the permissions and
rights.

This work for me I hope it work for you too.

Bye

"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:32:00 -0700, brianford
> <brianford@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>

> >I have 5 computers networked - 2 Vistas and 3 XP's. The Vistas network well
> >with the XP's (and each other) , but the XP's get an error message when I try
> >to access files on the Vistas. The XP's network well with each other as
> >usual. Is there anything I need to do (a patch maybe?) that allows XP to
> >access Vista files?
> >
> >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> >
> >Brian Ford

>
> Brian,
>
> What is the error message? Start there.
> <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/01/look-at-complete-detail-in-error.html>
> http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-in-error.html
>
> Or, you can read about known differences between Windows Vista and Windows XP,
> and maybe there's a clue there.
> <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
> http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-together.html
>
> On the Vista computers, is Password Protected Sharing enabled, or disabled? Are
> the XP computers running XP Home, XP Pro with Simple File Sharing, or XP Pro
> with Advanced File Sharing?
> <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html>
> http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005...indows-xp.html
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://networking.nitecruzr.net/
>

Hi Cesar - thanks for the tip here. I had everything (it seems) set up
correctly. I had included the name of the XP computer and shared with that.
All security options were set correctly. It didn't seem to want to work.

I tried the EVERYBODY option as you did and again shared - this worked for
some reason.
I have no idea why - it just did. I can't figure out why this same set up
wouldn't work for the specific computer name I chose to share with. Weird.

So not a terribly convincing explanation but it's fixed. Thanks again for
your help.
Also Chuck and Mick for suggestions.
Brian


"Cesar Balladares" wrote:

> Hello
>
> I had the same problem, I have 3 computers, two running Windows XP and one
> running windows Vista.
>
> In the computers running windows Vista I was able to see and access the
> other two computers, the computers running XP can see the computer running
> Vista but they can not access the share folders. I received a permission
> error message.
>
> The problem was Windows Vista has different level of security for the
> different users of the network and the files I wanted to share have only
> permissions for the users in the computer with windows Vista.
>
> If you go to my computer, then users, and then select for example public,
> you can check the properties and then select the tab security. You will see
> all the users with rights of access that folder, for example everybody,
> administrator, owner, etc. And everyone has rights like read, list, modify,
> etc
>
> If you go to the folder that you want to share (It is suppose the folder is
> already shared) and you check the properties then security you MUST see the
> users in the computers running XP, in my case is EVERYBODY.
>
> I choose everybody because I am using a private home network with security
> and I am the only person that uses that network but if you are using a public
> or corporate network, it is suppose that you assign users or groups and you
> give different levels of security, different rights, different passwords, etc.
>
> The bottom line, choose a folder for share, share that folder, then go to
> properties, security, right down EVERYBODY choose the rights you want the
> users have like read or modify. Finally see if you have access to that folder
> from windows XP. If that work you can do the same with any folder you want.
>
> Remember if more than one person will access the data, instead of everybody
> you must configure the name of the users and assign the permissions and
> rights.
>
> This work for me I hope it work for you too.
>
> Bye
>
> "Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
>

> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:32:00 -0700, brianford
> > <brianford@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >

> > >I have 5 computers networked - 2 Vistas and 3 XP's. The Vistas network well
> > >with the XP's (and each other) , but the XP's get an error message when I try
> > >to access files on the Vistas. The XP's network well with each other as
> > >usual. Is there anything I need to do (a patch maybe?) that allows XP to
> > >access Vista files?
> > >
> > >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > >
> > >Brian Ford

> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > What is the error message? Start there.
> > <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/01/look-at-complete-detail-in-error.html>
> > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-in-error.html
> >
> > Or, you can read about known differences between Windows Vista and Windows XP,
> > and maybe there's a clue there.
> > <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
> > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-together.html
> >
> > On the Vista computers, is Password Protected Sharing enabled, or disabled? Are
> > the XP computers running XP Home, XP Pro with Simple File Sharing, or XP Pro
> > with Advanced File Sharing?
> > <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html>
> > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005...indows-xp.html
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/
> >

I glad that it work for you too and you are rigth it is weird. I am not sure
if this is a "bug" of windows Vista or maybe they are trying to make Windows
Vista more secure, I meant now you must share the computer and ALSO you must
especify the name of the user accesing such computer(or put everybody and
anybody will have access from that computer).

"brianford" wrote:

> Hi Cesar - thanks for the tip here. I had everything (it seems) set up
> correctly. I had included the name of the XP computer and shared with that.
> All security options were set correctly. It didn't seem to want to work.
>
> I tried the EVERYBODY option as you did and again shared - this worked for
> some reason.
> I have no idea why - it just did. I can't figure out why this same set up
> wouldn't work for the specific computer name I chose to share with. Weird.
>
> So not a terribly convincing explanation but it's fixed. Thanks again for
> your help.
> Also Chuck and Mick for suggestions.
> Brian
>
>
> "Cesar Balladares" wrote:
>

> > Hello
> >
> > I had the same problem, I have 3 computers, two running Windows XP and one
> > running windows Vista.
> >
> > In the computers running windows Vista I was able to see and access the
> > other two computers, the computers running XP can see the computer running
> > Vista but they can not access the share folders. I received a permission
> > error message.
> >
> > The problem was Windows Vista has different level of security for the
> > different users of the network and the files I wanted to share have only
> > permissions for the users in the computer with windows Vista.
> >
> > If you go to my computer, then users, and then select for example public,
> > you can check the properties and then select the tab security. You will see
> > all the users with rights of access that folder, for example everybody,
> > administrator, owner, etc. And everyone has rights like read, list, modify,
> > etc
> >
> > If you go to the folder that you want to share (It is suppose the folder is
> > already shared) and you check the properties then security you MUST see the
> > users in the computers running XP, in my case is EVERYBODY.
> >
> > I choose everybody because I am using a private home network with security
> > and I am the only person that uses that network but if you are using a public
> > or corporate network, it is suppose that you assign users or groups and you
> > give different levels of security, different rights, different passwords, etc.
> >
> > The bottom line, choose a folder for share, share that folder, then go to
> > properties, security, right down EVERYBODY choose the rights you want the
> > users have like read or modify. Finally see if you have access to that folder
> > from windows XP. If that work you can do the same with any folder you want.
> >
> > Remember if more than one person will access the data, instead of everybody
> > you must configure the name of the users and assign the permissions and
> > rights.
> >
> > This work for me I hope it work for you too.
> >
> > Bye
> >
> > "Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
> >

> > > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:32:00 -0700, brianford
> > > <brianford@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I have 5 computers networked - 2 Vistas and 3 XP's. The Vistas network well
> > > >with the XP's (and each other) , but the XP's get an error message when I try
> > > >to access files on the Vistas. The XP's network well with each other as
> > > >usual. Is there anything I need to do (a patch maybe?) that allows XP to
> > > >access Vista files?
> > > >
> > > >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > >
> > > >Brian Ford
> > >
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > What is the error message? Start there.
> > > <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/01/look-at-complete-detail-in-error.html>
> > > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-in-error.html
> > >
> > > Or, you can read about known differences between Windows Vista and Windows XP,
> > > and maybe there's a clue there.
> > > <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
> > > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-together.html
> > >
> > > On the Vista computers, is Password Protected Sharing enabled, or disabled? Are
> > > the XP computers running XP Home, XP Pro with Simple File Sharing, or XP Pro
> > > with Advanced File Sharing?
> > > <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html>
> > > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005...indows-xp.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> > > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/
> > >

José Alberto De Janón wrote:

I have the same problem with us. I have 5 PC HP in network, 4 with windows
Vista and one with Windows XP. I defined a router Linksys WRT54G, simple, it
not have firewall. I defined a new network 192.168.3.1 for the 5 PC. When I
try to send a Ping from the PC with Windows XP to PC with Windows Vista, the
Ping response correctly, but when I will tried to send a ping from the PC
with Windows Vista to PC with windows XP, the Ping response correctly. the
network go from 192.168.3.101 to 192.168.3.105 the mask in the network is
255.255.255.0 the gateway is 192.168.3.1 The router not have a firewall, and
I don't now the PC with Windows XP not make a ping to PC with windows Vista.

One people recomended delete the service protocol IPV6 in windows vista to
comunicate the PC with XP to the PC with Windows Vista. But this function
can not delete because the windows vista not habilitated the buttom to delete
this function.

Do you know any solution to this problem, please, I need a solution as soon
as posible, Thansk you.

Jose Alberto De Janon - josedejanon@yahoo.com, josedejanon@gmail.com

"Cesar Balladares" wrote:

> Hello
>
> I had the same problem, I have 3 computers, two running Windows XP and one
> running windows Vista.
>
> In the computers running windows Vista I was able to see and access the
> other two computers, the computers running XP can see the computer running
> Vista but they can not access the share folders. I received a permission
> error message.
>
> The problem was Windows Vista has different level of security for the
> different users of the network and the files I wanted to share have only
> permissions for the users in the computer with windows Vista.
>
> If you go to my computer, then users, and then select for example public,
> you can check the properties and then select the tab security. You will see
> all the users with rights of access that folder, for example everybody,
> administrator, owner, etc. And everyone has rights like read, list, modify,
> etc
>
> If you go to the folder that you want to share (It is suppose the folder is
> already shared) and you check the properties then security you MUST see the
> users in the computers running XP, in my case is EVERYBODY.
>
> I choose everybody because I am using a private home network with security
> and I am the only person that uses that network but if you are using a public
> or corporate network, it is suppose that you assign users or groups and you
> give different levels of security, different rights, different passwords, etc.
>
> The bottom line, choose a folder for share, share that folder, then go to
> properties, security, right down EVERYBODY choose the rights you want the
> users have like read or modify. Finally see if you have access to that folder
> from windows XP. If that work you can do the same with any folder you want.
>
> Remember if more than one person will access the data, instead of everybody
> you must configure the name of the users and assign the permissions and
> rights.
>
> This work for me I hope it work for you too.
>
> Bye
>
> "Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
>

> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:32:00 -0700, brianford
> > <brianford@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >

> > >I have 5 computers networked - 2 Vistas and 3 XP's. The Vistas network well
> > >with the XP's (and each other) , but the XP's get an error message when I try
> > >to access files on the Vistas. The XP's network well with each other as
> > >usual. Is there anything I need to do (a patch maybe?) that allows XP to
> > >access Vista files?
> > >
> > >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > >
> > >Brian Ford

> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > What is the error message? Start there.
> > <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/01/look-at-complete-detail-in-error.html>
> > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-in-error.html
> >
> > Or, you can read about known differences between Windows Vista and Windows XP,
> > and maybe there's a clue there.
> > <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
> > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2006...-together.html
> >
> > On the Vista computers, is Password Protected Sharing enabled, or disabled? Are
> > the XP computers running XP Home, XP Pro with Simple File Sharing, or XP Pro
> > with Advanced File Sharing?
> > <http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html>
> > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005...indows-xp.html
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> > http://networking.nitecruzr.net/
> >