You don't need SP2, SP3. Patches are utter bullshit

Posted: 01-19-2009, 06:36 AM
I have been a PC user for years. In that time I have witnessed countless
patches from Microsoft being forced down the phonelines of terrified pc
users convinced that without them, they would die. Well, I have news for
you: you won't die. Right here, right now I am running Windows XP Home
Edition with Service Pack 1. I have installed ONE "critical" patch in all
that time, and that was against the Sasser Worm. THAT IS IT. However, I'm
not completely stupid; I do run a good strong firewall, and I update my
antivirus scanner regularly. I have a strong security and maintainance
regime in general, but security patches are NOT part of it. My experience
with downloading patches I thought I needed was terrible. I got absolutely
fed up with reboots, hardware no longer working, drivers conflicting. It
was BULLSHIT! Then one day I said sod it, no more, and refused to download
any more patches. And guess what? Since then I have had YEARS of
problem-free computer use! I can leave my PC on for 4-5 days straight online
all the time, and my PC hasn't been hacked; my bank account hasn't been
raided! My identity hasn't been stolen! And even better, my PC doesn't keep
rebooting!

I have ran almost every conceivable tool to scan for and detect almost every
conceivable threat, and time and time again, without fail my system is
clean. I have used almost every conceivable network tool to test my system's
defences, and time and time again it is given a clean bill of health. I'm a
very experienced pc user and frankly, I am 99.9% convinced that my system is
free of any infection, or any attempt by some hacker to control my PC
(almost every patch from MS says it will prevent your PC from being hacked
or controlled by hackers. Funny, I thought that's what a firewall was for -
hackers can't hack a PC they can't even see!). And yes, without hardly any
patches at all!

Instead of you actually thinking you need to download 72mb of patches, SP2
and SP3, from Microsoft to be "safe", only to find that after you download,
install and reboot, your system is completely messed up with hardware
conflicts, drivers not working, perhaps you should wipe your hard drive,
reinstall Windows, and go to Steve Gibson's website, http://grc.com, and
download and run the following apps instead:

DCOMbob.exe
shootthemessenger.exe
socketlock.exe
sockettome.exe
unpnp.exe

Now, I know Steve Gibson isn't himself against Security Patches; he actively
encourages their use. However, these tiny apps, in my view, do more for the
end user than any silly patch. Each one was written in assembly language;
they are less than 40kb in size and they analyze your system for Windows
vulnerabilites. But they do more than that; they actually PREVENT those
vulnerabilites from becoming a threat once detected. What Steve realised was
that he could write little apps to fill holes in Windows; to highlight
features which the end user may not have known about, and help to nullify
their impact. If they can't fix the issue themselves, they help you do it
yourself, which often involves nothing more than reconfiguring your
firewall!

I know you must be laughing with incredulity at all this. But how do you
honestly think that an ordinary pc user like me has managed to survive for
so long with no hackings, no viruses, no spyware, using nothing but SP1, a
firewall, a handful of apps by Steve Gibson, and an antivirus scanner? PURE
LUCK? Now THAT would be funny!


Here's to Steve Gibson!

Tim

PS: I didn't install the MS DCOM Vulnerability patch (which isn't included
in SP1), but I did use the DCOMbob.exe and checked that my firewall was
blocking port 135, which it was. The result is the same: vulnerability
nullified. NO PATCH NEEDED.



You don't need SP2, SP3. Patches are utter bullshit


Responses to "You don't need SP2, SP3. Patches are utter bullshit"

Steve
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Re: You don't need SP2, SP3. Patches are utter bullshit
Posted: 01-19-2009, 02:07 PM
Great rant, Tim. I don't disagree with anything you said, but I will
say that I HAVE faithfully let MS download their "updates" on my
machine and while I've had some problems I've fixed, I really don't
attribute them to these updates - except SP3 which caused me to have
to reformat.

However, what these updates have done to my computer, I have
absolutely no idea. Microsoft does not keep me informed of that, in
keeping with their unwritten policy of making sure they don't educate
anyone not tied to their $$ strings (heaven forbid, free education
might drive a Windows buyer to "free" software, e.g. Linux).
-- End of my rant --
Steve

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:36:22 -0000, "Tim.T" <blah@blah.com> wrote:
>I have been a PC user for years. In that time I have witnessed countless
>patches from Microsoft being forced down the phonelines of terrified pc
>users convinced that without them, they would die. Well, I have news for
>you: you won't die. Right here, right now I am running Windows XP Home
>Edition with Service Pack 1. I have installed ONE "critical" patch in all
>that time, and that was against the Sasser Worm. THAT IS IT. However, I'm
>not completely stupid; I do run a good strong firewall, and I update my
>antivirus scanner regularly. I have a strong security and maintainance
>regime in general, but security patches are NOT part of it. My experience
>with downloading patches I thought I needed was terrible. I got absolutely
>fed up with reboots, hardware no longer working, drivers conflicting. It
>was BULLSHIT! Then one day I said sod it, no more, and refused to download
>any more patches. And guess what? Since then I have had YEARS of
>problem-free computer use! I can leave my PC on for 4-5 days straight online
>all the time, and my PC hasn't been hacked; my bank account hasn't been
>raided! My identity hasn't been stolen! And even better, my PC doesn't keep
>rebooting!
>
>I have ran almost every conceivable tool to scan for and detect almost every
>conceivable threat, and time and time again, without fail my system is
>clean. I have used almost every conceivable network tool to test my system's
>defences, and time and time again it is given a clean bill of health. I'm a
>very experienced pc user and frankly, I am 99.9% convinced that my system is
>free of any infection, or any attempt by some hacker to control my PC
>(almost every patch from MS says it will prevent your PC from being hacked
>or controlled by hackers. Funny, I thought that's what a firewall was for -
>hackers can't hack a PC they can't even see!). And yes, without hardly any
>patches at all!
>
>Instead of you actually thinking you need to download 72mb of patches, SP2
>and SP3, from Microsoft to be "safe", only to find that after you download,
>install and reboot, your system is completely messed up with hardware
>conflicts, drivers not working, perhaps you should wipe your hard drive,
>reinstall Windows, and go to Steve Gibson's website, http://grc.com, and
>download and run the following apps instead:
>
>DCOMbob.exe
>shootthemessenger.exe
>socketlock.exe
>sockettome.exe
>unpnp.exe
>
>Now, I know Steve Gibson isn't himself against Security Patches; he actively
>encourages their use. However, these tiny apps, in my view, do more for the
>end user than any silly patch. Each one was written in assembly language;
>they are less than 40kb in size and they analyze your system for Windows
>vulnerabilites. But they do more than that; they actually PREVENT those
>vulnerabilites from becoming a threat once detected. What Steve realised was
>that he could write little apps to fill holes in Windows; to highlight
>features which the end user may not have known about, and help to nullify
>their impact. If they can't fix the issue themselves, they help you do it
>yourself, which often involves nothing more than reconfiguring your
>firewall!
>
>I know you must be laughing with incredulity at all this. But how do you
>honestly think that an ordinary pc user like me has managed to survive for
>so long with no hackings, no viruses, no spyware, using nothing but SP1, a
>firewall, a handful of apps by Steve Gibson, and an antivirus scanner? PURE
>LUCK? Now THAT would be funny!
>
>
>Here's to Steve Gibson!
>
>Tim
>
>PS: I didn't install the MS DCOM Vulnerability patch (which isn't included
>in SP1), but I did use the DCOMbob.exe and checked that my firewall was
>blocking port 135, which it was. The result is the same: vulnerability
>nullified. NO PATCH NEEDED.
>
>
Unknown
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Re: You don't need SP2, SP3. Patches are utter bullshit
Posted: 01-19-2009, 06:10 PM
You obviously don't know anything about operating systems at all. Either
that, or you believe the OS is
for you only.
"Tim.T" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
news:eR$60AgeJHA.4124@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I have been a PC user for years. In that time I have witnessed countless
> patches from Microsoft being forced down the phonelines of terrified pc
> users convinced that without them, they would die. Well, I have news for
> you: you won't die. Right here, right now I am running Windows XP Home
> Edition with Service Pack 1. I have installed ONE "critical" patch in all
> that time, and that was against the Sasser Worm. THAT IS IT. However, I'm
> not completely stupid; I do run a good strong firewall, and I update my
> antivirus scanner regularly. I have a strong security and maintainance
> regime in general, but security patches are NOT part of it. My experience
> with downloading patches I thought I needed was terrible. I got absolutely
> fed up with reboots, hardware no longer working, drivers conflicting. It
> was BULLSHIT! Then one day I said sod it, no more, and refused to download
> any more patches. And guess what? Since then I have had YEARS of
> problem-free computer use! I can leave my PC on for 4-5 days straight
> online
> all the time, and my PC hasn't been hacked; my bank account hasn't been
> raided! My identity hasn't been stolen! And even better, my PC doesn't
> keep
> rebooting!
>
> I have ran almost every conceivable tool to scan for and detect almost
> every
> conceivable threat, and time and time again, without fail my system is
> clean. I have used almost every conceivable network tool to test my
> system's
> defences, and time and time again it is given a clean bill of health. I'm
> a
> very experienced pc user and frankly, I am 99.9% convinced that my system
> is
> free of any infection, or any attempt by some hacker to control my PC
> (almost every patch from MS says it will prevent your PC from being hacked
> or controlled by hackers. Funny, I thought that's what a firewall was
> for -
> hackers can't hack a PC they can't even see!). And yes, without hardly any
> patches at all!
>
> Instead of you actually thinking you need to download 72mb of patches, SP2
> and SP3, from Microsoft to be "safe", only to find that after you
> download,
> install and reboot, your system is completely messed up with hardware
> conflicts, drivers not working, perhaps you should wipe your hard drive,
> reinstall Windows, and go to Steve Gibson's website, http://grc.com, and
> download and run the following apps instead:
>
> DCOMbob.exe
> shootthemessenger.exe
> socketlock.exe
> sockettome.exe
> unpnp.exe
>
> Now, I know Steve Gibson isn't himself against Security Patches; he
> actively
> encourages their use. However, these tiny apps, in my view, do more for
> the
> end user than any silly patch. Each one was written in assembly language;
> they are less than 40kb in size and they analyze your system for Windows
> vulnerabilites. But they do more than that; they actually PREVENT those
> vulnerabilites from becoming a threat once detected. What Steve realised
> was
> that he could write little apps to fill holes in Windows; to highlight
> features which the end user may not have known about, and help to nullify
> their impact. If they can't fix the issue themselves, they help you do it
> yourself, which often involves nothing more than reconfiguring your
> firewall!
>
> I know you must be laughing with incredulity at all this. But how do you
> honestly think that an ordinary pc user like me has managed to survive for
> so long with no hackings, no viruses, no spyware, using nothing but SP1, a
> firewall, a handful of apps by Steve Gibson, and an antivirus scanner?
> PURE
> LUCK? Now THAT would be funny!
>
>
> Here's to Steve Gibson!
>
> Tim
>
> PS: I didn't install the MS DCOM Vulnerability patch (which isn't included
> in SP1), but I did use the DCOMbob.exe and checked that my firewall was
> blocking port 135, which it was. The result is the same: vulnerability
> nullified. NO PATCH NEEDED.
>
>
>

Thee Chicago Wolf
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Re: You don't need SP2, SP3. Patches are utter bullshit
Posted: 01-20-2009, 05:56 PM
>I have been a PC user for years. In that time I have witnessed countless
>patches from Microsoft being forced down the phonelines of terrified pc
>users convinced that without them, they would die. Well, I have news for
>you: you won't die. Right here, right now I am running Windows XP Home
>Edition with Service Pack 1. I have installed ONE "critical" patch in all
>that time, and that was against the Sasser Worm. THAT IS IT. However, I'm
>not completely stupid; I do run a good strong firewall, and I update my
>antivirus scanner regularly. I have a strong security and maintainance
>regime in general, but security patches are NOT part of it. My experience
>with downloading patches I thought I needed was terrible. I got absolutely
>fed up with reboots, hardware no longer working, drivers conflicting. It
>was BULLSHIT! Then one day I said sod it, no more, and refused to download
>any more patches. And guess what? Since then I have had YEARS of
>problem-free computer use! I can leave my PC on for 4-5 days straight online
>all the time, and my PC hasn't been hacked; my bank account hasn't been
>raided! My identity hasn't been stolen! And even better, my PC doesn't keep
>rebooting!
>
>I have ran almost every conceivable tool to scan for and detect almost every
>conceivable threat, and time and time again, without fail my system is
>clean. I have used almost every conceivable network tool to test my system's
>defences, and time and time again it is given a clean bill of health. I'm a
>very experienced pc user and frankly, I am 99.9% convinced that my system is
>free of any infection, or any attempt by some hacker to control my PC
>(almost every patch from MS says it will prevent your PC from being hacked
>or controlled by hackers. Funny, I thought that's what a firewall was for -
>hackers can't hack a PC they can't even see!). And yes, without hardly any
>patches at all!
>
>Instead of you actually thinking you need to download 72mb of patches, SP2
>and SP3, from Microsoft to be "safe", only to find that after you download,
>install and reboot, your system is completely messed up with hardware
>conflicts, drivers not working, perhaps you should wipe your hard drive,
>reinstall Windows, and go to Steve Gibson's website, http://grc.com, and
>download and run the following apps instead:
>
>DCOMbob.exe
>shootthemessenger.exe
>socketlock.exe
>sockettome.exe
>unpnp.exe
>
>Now, I know Steve Gibson isn't himself against Security Patches; he actively
>encourages their use. However, these tiny apps, in my view, do more for the
>end user than any silly patch. Each one was written in assembly language;
>they are less than 40kb in size and they analyze your system for Windows
>vulnerabilites. But they do more than that; they actually PREVENT those
>vulnerabilites from becoming a threat once detected. What Steve realised was
>that he could write little apps to fill holes in Windows; to highlight
>features which the end user may not have known about, and help to nullify
>their impact. If they can't fix the issue themselves, they help you do it
>yourself, which often involves nothing more than reconfiguring your
>firewall!
>
>I know you must be laughing with incredulity at all this. But how do you
>honestly think that an ordinary pc user like me has managed to survive for
>so long with no hackings, no viruses, no spyware, using nothing but SP1, a
>firewall, a handful of apps by Steve Gibson, and an antivirus scanner? PURE
>LUCK? Now THAT would be funny!
>
>
>Here's to Steve Gibson!
>
>Tim
>
>PS: I didn't install the MS DCOM Vulnerability patch (which isn't included
>in SP1), but I did use the DCOMbob.exe and checked that my firewall was
>blocking port 135, which it was. The result is the same: vulnerability
>nullified. NO PATCH NEEDED.
But apparently you don't read release notes and such because without
SP3, you aren't afforded the latest standards of WiFi (amongst other
things). Without SP2, you cannot take advantage of DEP (amongst other
things). The best firewall in the world and the best A/V in the world
won't help you if someone devises a way around them and exploits
something you've not patched. Saying you don't need SP2 or SP3 is akin
to saying you don't need medicine because you've locked yourself in a
panic room and things will be ok if left alone. Dangerous and
uninformed advice you're spouting bub.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
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Re: You don't need SP2, SP3. Patches are utter bullshit
Posted: 01-20-2009, 06:35 PM

"Tim.T" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
news:eR$60AgeJHA.4124@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I have been a PC user for years. In that time I have witnessed countless
> patches from Microsoft being forced down the phonelines of terrified pc
> users convinced that without them, they would die.
Forced down the phonelines??
Terrified pc users? Do you mean yourself?

>Well, I have news for
> you: you won't die. Right here, right now I am running Windows XP Home
> Edition with Service Pack 1. I have installed ONE "critical" patch in all
> that time, and that was against the Sasser Worm. THAT IS IT.
What's your point? You don't want to update your computer?
>However, I'm not completely stupid; I do run a good strong firewall,
Which one?
>and I update my antivirus scanner regularly.
You update your virus scanner but not your OS??? Isn't that strange
behavior?
> I have a strong security and maintainance regime in general, but security
> patches are NOT part of it
Perhaps if you did the security patches you wouldn't need that regime.
>. My experience> with downloading patches I thought I needed was terrible.
>I got absolutely
> fed up with reboots, hardware no longer working, drivers conflicting. It
> was BULLSHIT!
Ever wonder why??
>Then one day I said sod it, no more, and refused to download
> any more patches. And guess what? Since then I have had YEARS of
> problem-free computer use! I can leave my PC on for 4-5 days straight
> online
> all the time, and my PC hasn't been hacked; my bank account hasn't been
> raided! My identity hasn't been stolen! And even better, my PC doesn't
> keep
> rebooting!
I doubt that would happen if you downloaded the security patches.
>
> I have ran almost every conceivable tool to scan for and detect almost
> every
> conceivable threat, and time and time again, without fail my system is
> clean. I have used almost every conceivable network tool to test my
> system's
> defences, and time and time again it is given a clean bill of health. I'm
> a
> very experienced pc user and frankly, I am 99.9% convinced that my system
> is
> free of any infection, or any attempt by some hacker to control my PC
> (almost every patch from MS says it will prevent your PC from being hacked
> or controlled by hackers. Funny, I thought that's what a firewall was
> for -
> hackers can't hack a PC they can't even see!). And yes, without hardly any
> patches at all!
You apparently are wise enough not to click on unknowns which is the
primary way to get a virus.
> Instead of you actually thinking you need to download 72mb of patches, SP2
> and SP3, from Microsoft to be "safe", only to find that after you
> download,
> install and reboot, your system is completely messed up with hardware
> conflicts, drivers not working, perhaps you should wipe your hard drive,
> reinstall Windows, and go to Steve Gibson's website, http://grc.com, and
> download and run the following apps instead:
>
> DCOMbob.exe
> shootthemessenger.exe
> socketlock.exe
> sockettome.exe
> unpnp.exe
>
> Now, I know Steve Gibson isn't himself against Security Patches; he
> actively
> encourages their use. However, these tiny apps, in my view, do more for
> the
> end user than any silly patch. Each one was written in assembly language;
> they are less than 40kb in size and they analyze your system for Windows
> vulnerabilites. But they do more than that; they actually PREVENT those
> vulnerabilites from becoming a threat once detected. What Steve realised
> was
> that he could write little apps to fill holes in Windows; to highlight
> features which the end user may not have known about, and help to nullify
> their impact. If they can't fix the issue themselves, they help you do it
> yourself, which often involves nothing more than reconfiguring your
> firewall!
>
> I know you must be laughing with incredulity at all this. But how do you
> honestly think that an ordinary pc user like me has managed to survive for
> so long with no hackings, no viruses, no spyware, using nothing but SP1, a
> firewall, a handful of apps by Steve Gibson, and an antivirus scanner?
> PURE
> LUCK? Now THAT would be funny!
>
>
> Here's to Steve Gibson!
>
> Tim
>
> PS: I didn't install the MS DCOM Vulnerability patch (which isn't included
> in SP1), but I did use the DCOMbob.exe and checked that my firewall was
> blocking port 135, which it was. The result is the same: vulnerability
> nullified. NO PATCH NEEDED.
>
>
>

 
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